concerning Baca Loco's article in PGI, issue 190
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Hey, leave me out of this guys.Originally posted by Baca Loco
12--thanks, Simon. Someday, some way, I'll find the means to repay you.
I merely saw Nobody venting on another board and pointed out that if he really wanted to, he could speak to the Author directly.
I know Baco loves a good discussion so pointed him over here.
Come on, it can't be over that easily. I'm so dissapointed.Originally posted by Baca Loco
To conclude--thanks for taking the time to vent here at P8ntballer. I, for one, am always happy to have peeps around with heartfelt opinions and the ability to communicate them. As to the whole diss the scenario guys silliness you've apparently missed the couple dozen times I've blasted the tourney kids for one thing and another--or else those didn't offend you.
I'm still wondering why someone bothers to argue against an opinion. That's the point of an opinion...... it's personal.
I don't like beetroot......... come on someone convince me otherwise
I couldn't read much more if it...... the spelling was giving me a headache
As for Baca picking on rec-ball?
Crap, he has a go at everybody.
I don't like beetroot......... come on someone convince me otherwise
I couldn't read much more if it...... the spelling was giving me a headache
As for Baca picking on rec-ball?
Crap, he has a go at everybody.
1) True. i might have missed that, and looking back it does have some merit, atleast some coming from the author.Originally posted by Baca Loco
As to the particulars--
1)I'm having a hard time figuring out how I managed to start okay as in first para I suggested woods play had a glacial game pace and would bore an Alabama wood tick and followed into the second para by equating scenario games to an outbreak of monkey virus or the plague. Perhaps if you had seen those as just a wee bit over the top it might have put the rest of the column in a different context.
2) Trash is such a harsh word. Why don't we say, use the expression, waste management, instead. Then it doesn't seem quite so harsh.
Seriously, since you missed the boat at the beginning I can understand why you were offended by the rest of the piece if you are a fan of, and enjoy, scenario play. Revisit the piece with the view that it is intended to exaggerate aspects of scenario gaming and you will, perhaps, see the truth of it without being too bent outta shape.
3--reads beautifully, I thought.
4--you might but I wouldn't. Speedball is played with limited numbers on a relatively small field so the result isn't in any way (my opinion) similar. Please note italicized bits as they will be relevant shortly.
5--another nice passage.
6--Re: knives. That's what editors are for. In Ant's defense I make so few mistakes he must'a overlooked that one under the unfair burden he must endure month after month in delivering to you the world's greatest PB mag. And, hey, if you spend your spare time looking for typos and the like try Facefull, they're full of them.
As to exactly what the point is I'm unclear but it should be noted I'm giving your post every consideration despite the plethora of tiny errors--as denoted by previously mentioned italicized bits above. (Got tired of highlighting them but there could be more.)
As to the Baca bit the purpose of that is to make it easy to identify me for any new visitors to P8ntballer who, like you, wish to present your concerns.
About Rich specifically I trashed his festive Euro-flash hair-do in my review last year of Tampa NPPL event. As to Tyg I guess since you're not using "baca" that must be a sign of your disrespect? Mom, how could you?
7--you should try the super-inflated ego sometime. I prefer it to the chip on the shoulder. Just so we're clear however let's break the offending comments down. At the average scenario game how many of the participants are also members of scenario teams? 10%. 15% maybe? Did you not notice the "smaller-than-you-think" modifier and what makes you think that description applies to all the mil-sim category of players? Geez, Mom, you seem to have gone out of your way to take offense. If it's 'cus you haven't yet figured out how to turn on your supergun I'm sure Manike can help. He knows a thing or two about 'em.
8--you might also think that if the editor of that magazine had taken your view of the piece he wouldn't have published it as it would have offended his general readership yet there it was.
9--makes me laugh every time but then I'm an easy audience.
10--first, check out hyperbole in the dictionary.
As it stands are you suggesting that 'cus something happens in Tourney ball it's somehow inappropriate or unacceptable to mention that it also happens in rec/scenario ball? Or that it's somehow ok in rec/scenario 'cus it happens in tourney? If that's what you're saying you might also want to revisit hypocrisy in the dictionary while you're checking out hyperbole.
11--from now on that's Mr. Loco to you, Mom. And it should be egotistical--not egotistic.
12--thanks, Simon. Someday, some way, I'll find the means to repay you.
To conclude--thanks for taking the time to vent here at P8ntballer. I, for one, am always happy to have peeps around with heartfelt opinions and the ability to communicate them. As to the whole diss the scenario guys silliness you've apparently missed the couple dozen times I've blasted the tourney kids for one thing and another--or else those didn't offend you.
2) No, I don't think trash is such a bad word, as it is my opinion of your subject in your piece. but that is my opinion, just like yours is of the expression, "waste management".
3) no comment
4) to me, and yes i do play speedball, even though it is of limited sizes of both field and numbers, the sheer chaos as the bell sounds off play is quite similar. during the 02 NPPL AC Open, the last major gasp of 10 man, you did have quite the reign of paint, where as, most scenario games that i've been witness too, the game starts and the teams have to find each other, then the madness begins.
5) no comment
6) oh no, i don't spend time sifting through publications looking for the minutest error, so i could claim superiority of them. i had only quoted you, and made the claim that it was not myself that made this error. don't want to missquote anyone. and kudos to you, you did get the imposed meaning to my appearant respect. so far, you have been the only one, that i have seen say something about that.
7) speaking for my team, we have comprised from that 10% up to 100% of a side, including camp followers. since there are no actual figures taken, you can bandy about figures till we are blue in the face.
8) oh contraire, i would believe that your magazine, as well as this site, would take it, as it is a very up front magazine. the language for one, which is both European in atitude as well as context, doesn't care that the misslip of a cuss word gets through as it is an strong adjitive to discribe what's happening in the sentence . if there was an article posed that trashed a major injustice, i would believe that PGI would be the first to have it, as well as publish it.
9) you said it, not me.
10) the grass is always greener on the other side, ain't it? but no, i do believe that there is more cheating, or atleast its easier to have cheating happen than in tourney ball, as scenario games, have 1 ref per 10-20 players, versus, a near 1 to 1 or more in favor of the refs to the players. but, when you have the number of refs like that, and you still have players cheat and get away with it, then what's worse? the tree falling in the woods and no one hears, or the tree falling in your street and no one cares?
11) if that is what you want, i'm easy, atleast that's what i tell all the women i meet.
12) and as Manike stated, he pointed me in the direction. he has nothing to do with this other than providing a place to speak with the author. which has changed my opinion of the piece. but not my words. if you want me to eat them, well, you'll have to find me. i'll be one of the guys with the supergun, in my combat pajamas standing out in the middle of the woods.
Nobody
OMHW
I read the article, and on the whole I don't think PR's intention was to belittle rec/scenario ball, it was just an amusing account of what happens at some such events.
You can't deny that there are the people who enjoy the whole military garb stuff, or those that want to be a 'sniper', there are also rec -teams, overkitted new players and all the other types that go to make these events what they are, a weekend of escapism for some, a laugh with your mates for others or whatever reason, but the overall mesage was,I feel, that
big games are a laugh, but it takes all sorts to make it work.
To some of us these people may seem to be a little 'odd' but who cares.
After reading the article, I might go of for a weekend with friends that do big games and see whats its all about.
You can't deny that there are the people who enjoy the whole military garb stuff, or those that want to be a 'sniper', there are also rec -teams, overkitted new players and all the other types that go to make these events what they are, a weekend of escapism for some, a laugh with your mates for others or whatever reason, but the overall mesage was,I feel, that
big games are a laugh, but it takes all sorts to make it work.
To some of us these people may seem to be a little 'odd' but who cares.
After reading the article, I might go of for a weekend with friends that do big games and see whats its all about.
Paul is actually a nice guy in person, but that may be tempered in my case since he's much larger and much meaner than I am, so therefore I may not be motivated to commit waste management on him.
Fortunately for me, his low opinion of me isn't further degraded by the fact that I play scenario games as well.
Fortunately for me, his low opinion of me isn't further degraded by the fact that I play scenario games as well.
Re: Re: concerning Baca Loco's article in PGI, issue 190
2--lighten up, Mom. Life's a lot more fun when you don't take yourself so seriously. Seriously.
3--speechless?
4--I see part of your problem here, Mom, if you think the beginning of a tourney game is chaos 'cus there's lots of paint flying. You may play Speedball but you don't know how to play. S'okay. Everyone has to start at the beginning.
5--Do you remember the Herbert Lom character in the Pink Panther movies? How Clouseau would drive him batty and he'd start gettting all these facial tics? Did the column make you that upset? (I'd like to think so as the mental image is rather amusing.)
6--I certainly wouldn't want to try and compete at Tyger's level.
7--Is camp followers a euphemism for prostitutes? That would be taking scenario gaming to a whole other place.
8--babel fish isn't working so I've no idea what you're on about here.
9--I did and I'm still laughing.
10--let me see if I'm following this--you agree with my basic point yet somehow I'm outta line for making it. I get that a lot. And if you really read your PGI religiously you'd already be aware of my views on cheating. I feel slighted, Mom. I count on you and Dad to be supportive.
11--was that a tribute gag in honor of the late Rodney Dangerfield? One from the archives.
12--Eat your words? Hardly. There's so little there it wouldn't make a decent snack.
Gun, PJs, woods. Disclaimer: I did not hire or pay "Nobody" to appear on P8ntballer but it would be hard to find better validation anywhere. Thanks, Mom.
Simon: Where have you been hanging out? Btw, you're off the hook--like you were ever on it.
Rory: almost enough to restore my faith in Mankind. (Hah!)
Dale: If you don't have anything rude to say there's no need to say anything at all.
You play what?! Will have to think long and hard about speaking to you ever again.
1--Is that a mea culpa or at least an oops?Originally posted by Nobody
1) True. i might have missed that, and looking back it does have some merit, atleast some coming from the author.
2) No, I don't think trash is such a bad word, as it is my opinion of your subject in your piece. but that is my opinion, just like yours is of the expression, "waste management".
3) no comment
4) to me, and yes i do play speedball, even though it is of limited sizes of both field and numbers, the sheer chaos as the bell sounds off play is quite similar. during the 02 NPPL AC Open, the last major gasp of 10 man, you did have quite the reign of paint, where as, most scenario games that i've been witness too, the game starts and the teams have to find each other, then the madness begins.
5) no comment
6) oh no, i don't spend time sifting through publications looking for the minutest error, so i could claim superiority of them. i had only quoted you, and made the claim that it was not myself that made this error. don't want to missquote anyone. and kudos to you, you did get the imposed meaning to my appearant respect. so far, you have been the only one, that i have seen say something about that.
7) speaking for my team, we have comprised from that 10% up to 100% of a side, including camp followers. since there are no actual figures taken, you can bandy about figures till we are blue in the face.
8) oh contraire, i would believe that your magazine, as well as this site, would take it, as it is a very up front magazine. the language for one, which is both European in atitude as well as context, doesn't care that the misslip of a cuss word gets through as it is an strong adjitive to discribe what's happening in the sentence . if there was an article posed that trashed a major injustice, i would believe that PGI would be the first to have it, as well as publish it.
9) you said it, not me.
10) the grass is always greener on the other side, ain't it? but no, i do believe that there is more cheating, or atleast its easier to have cheating happen than in tourney ball, as scenario games, have 1 ref per 10-20 players, versus, a near 1 to 1 or more in favor of the refs to the players. but, when you have the number of refs like that, and you still have players cheat and get away with it, then what's worse? the tree falling in the woods and no one hears, or the tree falling in your street and no one cares?
11) if that is what you want, i'm easy, atleast that's what i tell all the women i meet.
12) and as Manike stated, he pointed me in the direction. he has nothing to do with this other than providing a place to speak with the author. which has changed my opinion of the piece. but not my words. if you want me to eat them, well, you'll have to find me. i'll be one of the guys with the supergun, in my combat pajamas standing out in the middle of the woods.
Nobody
OMHW
2--lighten up, Mom. Life's a lot more fun when you don't take yourself so seriously. Seriously.
3--speechless?
4--I see part of your problem here, Mom, if you think the beginning of a tourney game is chaos 'cus there's lots of paint flying. You may play Speedball but you don't know how to play. S'okay. Everyone has to start at the beginning.
5--Do you remember the Herbert Lom character in the Pink Panther movies? How Clouseau would drive him batty and he'd start gettting all these facial tics? Did the column make you that upset? (I'd like to think so as the mental image is rather amusing.)
6--I certainly wouldn't want to try and compete at Tyger's level.
7--Is camp followers a euphemism for prostitutes? That would be taking scenario gaming to a whole other place.
8--babel fish isn't working so I've no idea what you're on about here.
9--I did and I'm still laughing.
10--let me see if I'm following this--you agree with my basic point yet somehow I'm outta line for making it. I get that a lot. And if you really read your PGI religiously you'd already be aware of my views on cheating. I feel slighted, Mom. I count on you and Dad to be supportive.
11--was that a tribute gag in honor of the late Rodney Dangerfield? One from the archives.
12--Eat your words? Hardly. There's so little there it wouldn't make a decent snack.
Gun, PJs, woods. Disclaimer: I did not hire or pay "Nobody" to appear on P8ntballer but it would be hard to find better validation anywhere. Thanks, Mom.
Simon: Where have you been hanging out? Btw, you're off the hook--like you were ever on it.
Rory: almost enough to restore my faith in Mankind. (Hah!)
Dale: If you don't have anything rude to say there's no need to say anything at all.
You play what?! Will have to think long and hard about speaking to you ever again.
is no one allowed to express their own oppinion anymore without someone having a go?
what is the world coming too, well i thought it was a good read
what is the world coming too, well i thought it was a good read
I think recballs crap
Like it, Lump It I dont give a damn...Its All me Baby
Thats the way i feel anyways...
Peace
KR
yes i am allowed an opinion..........
Like it, Lump It I dont give a damn...Its All me Baby
Thats the way i feel anyways...
Peace
KR
yes i am allowed an opinion..........
yep i dont like recball and im not going to hide the fact, its is my opinion and its how i feel.
each too their own
each too their own