cocker vs. bushmaster
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FACT NOT FICTION
yeh quite true, in fact there was one on ebay brand new buy now jobbies for 175 bucks xv8 got it, and the accuracy bit int bull**** its fact by the way the air system operates, and the style of bolt it is PROVEN to be softer on paint, not to impune the bushy it is a canny marker but its enqineering is a rip off of the impulse, and some issues surrounding the bolt swelling under pressure has manifested itself with peeps i know with this marker, mind you if you put a bean flicker pro custom bolt in there will be no probs........... soz for da essay lol
yeh quite true, in fact there was one on ebay brand new buy now jobbies for 175 bucks xv8 got it, and the accuracy bit int bull**** its fact by the way the air system operates, and the style of bolt it is PROVEN to be softer on paint, not to impune the bushy it is a canny marker but its enqineering is a rip off of the impulse, and some issues surrounding the bolt swelling under pressure has manifested itself with peeps i know with this marker, mind you if you put a bean flicker pro custom bolt in there will be no probs........... soz for da essay lol
I'd be very interested to see your source material proving for FACT that the autococker is any more "accurate" with the same paint, barrel, and velocity. Because according to studies by WARPIG.com and Action Pursuit Games magazine, there was absolutely no difference in "accuracy" between open and closed bolt markers (by the way, that's a referrence to how the BOLT operates, NOT the air system. Since the autococker can use any preset or adjustable air system, that's not a good argument to prove it's accuracy) from a set firing distance with both markers bench-mounted using the same paint, barrel and same velocity. So, what it comes down to is your paint, your barrel, and your velocity. It's been said and proven a million times, but I'll say it again: A ball traveling at 290 fps coming from a Spyder will go the same distance, and hit just as hard as a ball traveling 290 fps coming from an Angel. You can talk about perceived accuracy and recoil all day long (evidently if your marker has any recoil, and you're too feable to hold onto it while you're shooting, that will throw off your "accuracy" 
) but if they're both set to the same velocity, an autococker and a bushmaster are going to be just as accurate. So throw accuracy out the window when considering your decision. Incidently, I don't remember which came first, the bushy or the Impluse (I think it was the bushmaster, but not 100%), but it's (the bushy's) design, IMO, is alot more well thought out than the impulse. Not to mention I'd buy ICD over Smart Parts any day based purely on principle.
) but if they're both set to the same velocity, an autococker and a bushmaster are going to be just as accurate. So throw accuracy out the window when considering your decision. Incidently, I don't remember which came first, the bushy or the Impluse (I think it was the bushmaster, but not 100%), but it's (the bushy's) design, IMO, is alot more well thought out than the impulse. Not to mention I'd buy ICD over Smart Parts any day based purely on principle.
Bushy was before impulse
Now, Richie. My bushy wont break...i've held paint in front of the bolt and its bounced a number of times before damaging the ball.
Also, the bolt swelling is a MYTH, the delrin does not/has not swollen, it can also be greased. Check on pbnation and speak to Goldie if you still dont believe me. I have had just under 9 different bolts throughout the bushys i've had over the last 3 years, and not 1 has changed in shape or size.
Now, Richie. My bushy wont break...i've held paint in front of the bolt and its bounced a number of times before damaging the ball.
Also, the bolt swelling is a MYTH, the delrin does not/has not swollen, it can also be greased. Check on pbnation and speak to Goldie if you still dont believe me. I have had just under 9 different bolts throughout the bushys i've had over the last 3 years, and not 1 has changed in shape or size.
you can buy the vert cocker for 358ish, the 04 bko is 280 online. hmm, why waste 400 dollars on an eblade when the bko is already electro and can do 18 bps?Originally posted by le-pig
you can buy a new wgp 2003 cocker for less than $500
well put me in my place man
still think cockers are more accurate ner ner ner me mucka has got an "eclispse" bushy well iam saying eclipse, it has their trade mark paint job on it, but he deffo has probs with the bolt swelling, it is a yellow delrin type, he has just had a custom nylatron jobby put into it, we both use zap as we are on the same team, maybe the difference is that iam using a ceramic barrell, and he is using the bog standard eclips barrell just that when fired, there is a big spread on the target about a foot an a half square, where ass my cocker puts paint into an area approx the size of a cd, this is at a distance of approx 20 ft no wind etc etc etc (think if what you guys are saying is gospel methinks his gun may be kerr nackered
still think cockers are more accurate ner ner ner
me mucka has got an "eclispse" bushy well iam saying eclipse, it has their trade mark paint job on it, but he deffo has probs with the bolt swelling, it is a yellow delrin type, he has just had a custom nylatron jobby put into it, we both use zap as we are on the same team, maybe the difference is that iam using a ceramic barrell, and he is using the bog standard eclips barrell just that when fired, there is a big spread on the target about a foot an a half square, where ass my cocker puts paint into an area approx the size of a cd, this is at a distance of approx 20 ft no wind etc etc etc (think if what you guys are saying is gospel methinks his gun may be kerr nackered 
I had nothing but problems with the bushmaster I had about 1 year ago. And to make it worse, ICD was slow in "fixing" the problems and when I finally did get my gun back there were other things wrong with it. I don't mean little things either. When I sent it in to them to be fixed, it was only firing one shot and then just the solenoid would click. When I got it back it would fire fine, but there was a massive leak coming out of the valve. Talking to them on the phone was a pain, and I was generally dissatisfied with their product and service. They may have improved since then, but I wouldn't put hundreds of dollars on the line to find out. I think if you want either a bushmaster or a cocker, buy a cocker, but something that might be better for you is an impulse. They are heavier than a bushmaster but from my experiences much more reliable.
You taking all these 'facts' from 1 problematic marker. All companys have these, and the impulse seems to have way more than most markers.
As for the accuracy, richie, it depends on paint to barrel match. Just cos it wouldn't fire well for him, doesn't mean its the marker, its the paint.
As for the accuracy, richie, it depends on paint to barrel match. Just cos it wouldn't fire well for him, doesn't mean its the marker, its the paint.
First off, I would like to say that my claims were indeed fact, because all I did was relay my own personal experience in the above post. Other than that I only spectulated, making educated guesses based on my own experiences, and expressed my person opinion. For those reasons I don't think you have any right to imply that I am some kind of charlatan for telling my own story.
My gun may have been problematic, but once I sent it to ICD they should have fixed it up to shoot perfectly and tested to make sure of that instead of sending it back to me with another huge problem. I think it's hard to deny that. Also, their bad service is going to be an issue whether you have a lemon or not there's no getting around it.
I've haven't seen too many other bushmasters at my local fields, but of those I have I would venture to say a quarter of the people were having a problem of some kind or another from my conversations with them. I also spent a lot of time in the ICD forums on PBN when I owned my bushmaster and there were many people who had problems on there; many more than I have seen on say the autococker, angel, or impulse forums, which I also frequent.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=471945
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=472473
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=471946
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=472284
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=471907
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=471410
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=471366
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=471620
These are the problem threads that I found on the first page of the PBN ICD forum as of 8:23 PST. Some of them are user related, but it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about.
Go to most any marker-specific forum on PBN and you'll probably find pretty much the same thing. Alot of the reason those forums are there is to help people when they screw up their markers. I can't speak for ICD's service, but I bought a cheap Bushmaster that's from the first run (serial no. 1248), and after I got it re-wired (the guy I bought it from screwed up his wiring. And that's another thing, alot of the "problems" people have, with any marker, are because of user-related problems), it's been a good little marker. At just about any field in the world on any given day there's 500 people who've all got one problem or another with their 'cockers, and those are great markers.