Cheating In European Tournaments

[eastcoastkilla2k4]

Now that people can easily get a hold of a ramper from sites like advantagepb.com whats the buzz over in Europe about it?

I read the PGI article in last month's magazine, but it didn't cover too much on the otherside of the pond.

Checkout the video from their site at advantagepb.com they're selling something called a Speedy chip which can get by even the NPPL robot.

 

[Rabies]

My impression is that "designer cheats" are not widespread in Europe - yet. There are a few floating around but far more just with illegal trigger bounce. Just a matter of time, no doubt (check back in about 20 minutes!)

Any cheat which can be turned on/off on the field in a non-obvious way will be easy to get past the robot, or any chrono judge. That is why it is so hard to catch cheats designed as such, rather than otherwise-legal markers with excessive bounce or misconfigured shot queueing.

The big change in the last couple of months seems to be the transition of gun cheats from a few people getting "favours" from a friendly insider or skilled tech, to a mass-market product pushed on the internet to all and sundry. If 2004 was the year electronic cheats became widely known about, 2005 is going to be the year they will appear in every game on every field in some form.

 

[Collier]

I bet it won't be long till these type of boards are availble 'widespread' for every brand of marker.....

Paul


Cmon who's secretly wishing they had a matrix/dm4 right now???

 

[Collier]

It is within the rules to confiscate a marker suspected of operating outside the 1 shot per pull rule, I guess the tough part is then proving that the mode was in operation at the time..

Paul

 

[Rabies]

I wouldn't have thought that was a problem - if the mode can be switched without tools or "sustantial disassembly of the marker" then it's illegal whether the mode was in use at the time or not.

And actually I don't really care too much about ramping modes - I've played with markers capable of various enhanced modes, and I've written firmware for markers myself, but I've never felt the need for anything over semi-auto. Maybe I'm just weird

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Rabies
I wouldn't have thought that was a problem - if the mode can be switched without tools or "sustantial disassembly of the marker" then it's illegal whether the mode was in use at the time or not.

That would make most markers illegal though, pedantic? yes! but to the letter of the rules? also yes!

I'm of course reffering to eye modes that can be switched and that 'can' effect rof.

Paul

 

[Rabies]

Yes and no -- I don't think ROF is a controlled parameter according to current rules What I meant was illegal modes that can be switched on or off.

Now if you get bounce, added shots, shot queueing, ramping velocity, or whatever, in one eye mode but not another, then that's illegal. But while chrono judges can (and often do) switch the eye on and off to test things like this, they can't guess every possible combination of button presses needed to reveal hiddne modes on cheater boards

 

[Bully]

It is a pity

It is a pity paintball has come down to "designer cheats" or whatever you want to call them.

To the "thick" organiser, are these replacement boards or something programmed into the original (as supplied by the original retailer) or is it a new board/chip.

It does make a mockery of the letter I wrote to the "Firearms Consultation Committee" trying to make sure that if or when the law on Firearms is changed that paintball is not accidentally dragged into any restrictions or ban.

I explained as a sport we operate a one pull, one burst of gas firing one paintball rule. I am sure someone will tell me but "that is what is happening" with these designer "add ons"

Incidentally it is a good job I sent a submission as the appeal for submissions from players on these forums yielded NONE !!!!!!

I am not looking for praise; I did it for the 250 site members whose businesses could be affected if there was a change in the law. A small minority of tournie players could create problems for the vast majority. I just hope if a marker was ever confiscated then the powers that be are "not bright enough" to check the modes on a paintball marker or even surf the net to see what can be done.

Incidentally, for those who doubt the "powers that be" have any concern about the paintball industry, think again. Last week I had several conversations with the Forensic Science Service and with help from UK paint suppliers hopefully helped to enlighten the FSS on paintballs and paintball markers. It might not be as easy if they plug a circuit board or chip into a computer to see what its capability is!!!!

But what do I know – I don’t play so it is an irrelevant rant

Steve

 

[Rabies]

It is a pity

Originally posted by Bully
To the "thick" organiser, are these replacement boards or something programmed into the original (as supplied by the original retailer) or is it a new board/chip.

In the case of the DM4 mods, they are replacement chips, but are a drop-in modification as the chip on the DM4 board is socketed. A few of the others are replacment boards. Some other markers can have the code changed without physically altering the hardware, but these are probably less widespread.

I explained as a sport we operate a one pull, one burst of gas firing one paintball rule. I am sure someone will tell me but "that is what is happening" with these designer "add ons"

Actually, most of the chips popping up now sell themselves specifically on their "enhanced" firing modes - fine in the US, where field/tournament rules allow, but not here. Moreover, several draw attention to their ability to get past chrono judges undetected. There is no pretense here - these chips are designed for cheating with.

 

[misnblu]

Cheating sucks and gives paintball a bad name in the world of television and audiences.
I can just imagine cheating in football, soccer, archery or any other legitimate sport. Do you think they would last if that was the case with them, no.
Winning is one thing, getting sponsored another, but to have to cheat to win for your sponsors so you can keep getting sponsored, is something that should be refrained upon.
Misnblu