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exactlly, how can you compare them to any other so called domestic team. when so many of them play for the likes of shock,
kellys etc.
i think thats probably down to the price, but tbh i would rather play the last tourney of the the year and play 14+ games then play just 9 which is the amount you get at uk masters.
Ben, and theer was me thinking I was being nice to you after what you wrote........but just so's I got the real meaning of what you are trying to say because the ambiguity of 'domestic' may have trapped me here and I'm not sure that wasn't intentional but hey, I could be wrong.
Of course Nexus, Tigers and Shockwave can be described as 'domestic' as we play in the UK in the pro league.
We train in the UK and all our players are from the UK (at the moment), it's hardly surprising anybody would have classified us, along with Shock and Tigers as 'domestic'.
Since you chose to clarify it after your initial post, and I am gonna give myself the benefit of the doubt with regard to being illiterate, I am gonna assume most people would have assumed the same as me.
You are well aware of that being a really touchy subject with me whereby some idiots before have suggested the winners of the PA are the best in the UK, it's hardly surprising you elicited the response you did...in fact, I think I let you off quite lightly....ok maybe not but you realise the consequence of my interpretation of what you wrote.
The PA league in the real world of paintball, whether you choose to use a convenient get out clause' of 'international' or not has no real substance if comparisons are to be made when it comes to high end paintball in the UK.
The Pro league would have more justification to do that and then if you want a more accurate comparison than that, you start toward Millenniums and NPPLs.
This is done on the premise that the higher quality league in which a team plays indicates the true nature of their abilities.
The PA serves a purpose, of course it does but it doesn’t enable any comparisons to be done on the hierarchy of top end paintball in the UK regardless of any convenient ‘domestic’ or ‘international’ reclassifications you would like to introduce.
Now, if you are telling me I got the complete wrong end of the stick, then I am more than willing to apologize no problem, but didn’t me and you have a similar conversation about his sort of thing before???
And if so, bit of a coincidence ??
We don't play it because the level of competition is nowhere near what we would need.
The pro league went some way in providing this but with no disrespect meant to any other teams, Nexus, Shock, Tigers and Kellys are pretty much out there on their own at the moment and playing against others is not really gonna do any of us that much good, we need to get those 4 teams train crashing against each other on a consistent basis if we are to get UK ball anywhwere near the top.
Also, we like to play in an environment whereby rules and regs etc are standardized and there is no way I am signing up for anything for any protracted period.
Team's needs change as the year develops and I don't think I would be too happy if somebody sent me a solicitor's letter if I couldn't play out the rest of the series for one reason or another.
Nah, not for me, but saying that, the PA league is really good for the teams who play in it.
The reffing and organization is pretty good, the original idea behind the league is also pretty sound but like a lot of things in life, it ain't that simple.
Some people tried to elevate its status within the relevance of UK Paintball and in doing so, insulted, or maybe better described as disrespected a few other people along the way.
The PA league is great for most of those who choose to play it because it provides a good service in terms of tournament promotion; it maybe lost its way a little when it came to realizing its true place in the scheme of things, that's all.
Killers
A-MEN TO THAT!!!! Who cares anyway!!! Time to shoot faces!!!
U.K.K. all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A-MEN TO THAT!!!! Who cares anyway!!! Time to shoot faces!!!
U.K.K. all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robbo - yes, we did have the conversation before and my recollection is that you conceded there was perhaps an inherent difference between teams that play international events and teams that play domestic/national events.
And I quote "Ben, your post would make quite a bit of sense if it weren’t for the Pro league but I have to say I agree the distinction you bring to the table of ‘national’ and ‘international’ isn’t one I had thought much about, but it has some merit." The full thread is here and that was lifted from around page 6 of 19 (I think it depends on how you have the board set up to where it will fall)
http://www.p8ntballer-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49014&highlight=domestic
That was the reason I put the caveat of domestic in in the first place and furthermore why I was so suprised at your outburst.
The point I was addressing was that stevej said it was a 'jokers league'. My point was that it wasn't and I tried to illustrate the point for asking for a better example of a domestic team from another UK domestic event. If someone makes a statement like that, I just them to qualify it - either they can or they can't. I make plenty of statements which I at least try and qualify. That's all I was asking for here.
Pro Tour (again we have already been through this in the previous discussion) doesn't really count as a UK domestic series due to the fact that it precludes anyone but the invited and select few from entering. Furthermore, on yours and others admissions it was designed in part to provide a futile training ground for our international teams before competing abroad. That is not a normal domestic event as any team cannot enter.
More specifically though, why on earth would I write a post just to get on your tits? My universe just doesn't revolve around you I'm afraid. I'm stupified as to why you could even come to that conclusion.
And I quote "Ben, your post would make quite a bit of sense if it weren’t for the Pro league but I have to say I agree the distinction you bring to the table of ‘national’ and ‘international’ isn’t one I had thought much about, but it has some merit." The full thread is here and that was lifted from around page 6 of 19 (I think it depends on how you have the board set up to where it will fall)
http://www.p8ntballer-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49014&highlight=domestic
That was the reason I put the caveat of domestic in in the first place and furthermore why I was so suprised at your outburst.
The point I was addressing was that stevej said it was a 'jokers league'. My point was that it wasn't and I tried to illustrate the point for asking for a better example of a domestic team from another UK domestic event. If someone makes a statement like that, I just them to qualify it - either they can or they can't. I make plenty of statements which I at least try and qualify. That's all I was asking for here.
Pro Tour (again we have already been through this in the previous discussion) doesn't really count as a UK domestic series due to the fact that it precludes anyone but the invited and select few from entering. Furthermore, on yours and others admissions it was designed in part to provide a futile training ground for our international teams before competing abroad. That is not a normal domestic event as any team cannot enter.
More specifically though, why on earth would I write a post just to get on your tits? My universe just doesn't revolve around you I'm afraid. I'm stupified as to why you could even come to that conclusion.
Don't put words into my mouth Ben, where do I suggest your universe revolves around me ?
In suggesting that, you are indulging yourself at my expense again, I'm not that concerned with anything you do other than when I think you are attacking the true hierarchy of paintball for the sake of a political agenda.
And please don't use my agreement with the reclassification of teams like Nexus and co as being distinct from teams who play in the PA as grounds for substantiating your post or in criticising my response.
At best your use of the word 'domestic' in that post, months after you first talked about it, was vague and ambiguous.
It's hardly surprising it didn't jump to the forefront of my mind when first reading it considering the history I have had with you and other supporters of the PA.
Respect to all the top teams in the UK (in every league) and all the teams representing true english talent abroad in the states or Europe, I hope to one day we facing off against at least one of those teams and that would make me a happy chappy 
It seems in heated discussions like this people forget that its all about playing ball and enjoying the moment you mug out 3 men and superman dive into a snake loosing you hopper in the process!
But what do I know, i've only been playing tourney for the last 7 months
It seems in heated discussions like this people forget that its all about playing ball and enjoying the moment you mug out 3 men and superman dive into a snake loosing you hopper in the process!
But what do I know, i've only been playing tourney for the last 7 months
Have talked to Ben and the following is now clear to us both, his initial post wasn't perhaps as clear as it needed to be bearing in mind past histories and I had certainly misinterpreted not only the nature of what he was saying but also the intent.
I then had no problem in apologising to him for the way in which I fired back at him and I am also sure that if we had talked prior to his or my post going up, it would not have got down this road.
C'est la vie !
I then had no problem in apologising to him for the way in which I fired back at him and I am also sure that if we had talked prior to his or my post going up, it would not have got down this road.
C'est la vie !