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Bouncing Guns in LA

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Looks like things are about to change.

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Bouncing Guns

The big news is that the PSP is finally taking notice of the rampant use of illegal guns. The change didn’t seem to come until after Thunderstruck petitioned one of their X-ball matches. Their opponents, Ignition, were all found to be shooting Intimidators with illegal modes. Of course, Ignition wasn’t the only team doing this, but it looks like they were catalyst to several teams’ guns being confiscated (Although Ignitions guns weren't confiscated as one of their players posted below) for the tournament, including NXL teams
 

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Who and how they made those judgements? From the pictures it seems that only DM4's were "bouncing", how much more they may bounce than other DM4's??

Mainly I am interested how to make that judgement on "too fast" guns, since we are facing the same problem in our league and I guess so is Millenium, EXL and the rest.
 

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Originally posted by Juice
Who and how they made those judgements? From the pictures it seems that only DM4's were "bouncing", how much more they may bounce than other DM4's??
Maybe they didn't have a chance to take a group photo of all confiscated markers :rolleyes: But seriously, the photo is propably from one single game; San Diego - LA.

It's good to know that organizers are starting to take notice about the issue.
 

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Is it bouncing guns that were confiscated, or guns that have illegal modes? Cos they are 2 different things.
 

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Originally posted by Juice
Who and how they made those judgements? From the pictures it seems that only DM4's were "bouncing", how much more they may bounce than other DM4's??

Mainly I am interested how to make that judgement on "too fast" guns, since we are facing the same problem in our league and I guess so is Millenium, EXL and the rest.
There are a few long threads here covering the issue take a look at them and wake the threads if you have any new thoughts.
Most recent thread covers also the problem with the possibility of
ramped boards showing up take a look at that also.

I dont see any new problems for this season that didn't exist last season either in our local events here in Finland or in Millenium series. Guns rules and problems are the same as last season.

What I hear from LA is that no guns where confiscated and Ingnition (US) had so low bounce settings on their timmys that they bounced alot (debounce 1?). Ofcourse my information is also secondhand as I wasnt in LA but I dont think pbstar news is that accurate.

//Freakin shwoomie log out if you use our computer for posting.
This post was made by Sam Stark -Cyclone-
 

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Sorry to disappoint , kids, but please notice nothing was done about Ignition's guns until one of their opponents made issue of it. Checking guns on all fields was spotty at best, most of the refs checking weren't making anything like a conscientious effort or simply didin't know how and the NXL was another deal altogether. Right now nothing of consequence is being done consistently about illegal guns and there are (and were) lots of them in action in LA last weekend.
 

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The checking of guns at this event was a joke.

It came down to many issues and there was no set policy or testing method.

It's something we tried to address for other Millenniumn Series with the rule on testing guns, but here the judges tested however they felt like it.

They would routinely take a gun, hold it loosely and pull the trigger very slowly or with two fingers as they pulled it.

I was penalised for a bouncing gun the very first game I played and before it became obvious how stupid the refs were being (after that Dan and Rosie took better control of the situation) because the ref couldn't understand how I could shoot my gun so fast 'legally' :rolleyes:. Any way he pulled it in a normal fashion (or as per the Millennium rules tests) it was fine, but when pulled really slowly after about 5-10 shots he managed to get a two shot bounce and gave me a 5 minute major penalty. He threatened me with a 10, if I argued. They were absolutely moronic about it. In my next game I asked the opposition player in the back corner to hang out and wait for me so I could pull my trigger really slowly and try and get two shots out at him... :rolleyes:

Anyway of pulling the trigger as if playing the gun was fine. I picked up and tried lots of other guns at the events and I could get them all to double shoot. Egi and I estimated we could get 85-90% of the guns at the event to get bounce when tested the way the judges were testing the guns. And yet I never saw even one player shooting a gun in a fashion similar to the test method.

They decided a huge number of guns were illegal and started screwing anyone who's gun they could get two shots out of anyway they could. It was a joke.

At one point they shot a hopper and a POD through a kids gun, before declaring it to have bounce.

Then Jim Drew got involved and it seems that he is now rather upset at not making boards for all of the Intimidators so he came out with an insane accusation that all 'Black to silver' aliases were illegal. :rolleyes: As if it would be guns of just one anodising colour. Has the guy lost his mind? Or is it the fact he doesn't make the boards for these guns? He was going around accusing all Alias's and DM4's of ramping and being illegal.

Before one game he asked a kid on the opposition if he could try his gun. The kid said 'sure' Jim tried his gun and then told the refs that all the teams guns were illegal as he 'owns a 100 Million dollar company' and knows when boards aren't legal, he didn't even test the other guns! He had something like 7 guns pulled from that team. What a way to win a game huh? If you can't beat them, cheat them!

People from all over and with all kinds of guns were ****ting themselves trying to make sure they could never under any test get a double shot, and to be honest it just wasn't possible. People were running with debounce up as high as they could go and yet with the way the judges were testing guns you could still make them 'illegal'.

The PSP (and NPPL) need to come up with a set test or better definitions. And definitely not just listen to jealous people who 'own 100 Million dollar companies) *think Austin powers movie*.

It was the biggest cluster **** when it comes to 'bouncing guns' ever.

In effect the only people it caught were the innocent ones. The ones really trying to cheat would never have been caught by this idiocy.

I went around testing guns that had been deemed illegal and legal, and whereas there were genuinely some dodgy stuff going on, I'd say the majority of people penalised were not guilty of any intentional wrong doing.
 

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Seems like its gone from one extreme of allowing anything, to another extreme of penalising anyone with a trigger!:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by manike
, and whereas there were genuinely some dodgy stuff going on, I'd say the majority of people penalised were not guilty of any intentional wrong doing.
go on simon dish the dirt, what kind of dodgy goings on.