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"Bonus Ball" solutions

Tyger

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Seperate thread time.

Ok, you want solutions? Here's what I'm thinking.

First : Define it. A "Bonus Ball" can be defined as a paintball fired at an eliminated player with malicious intent. Under this definition, a player doing a run-through and bunkering with three shots is "ok". However, stopping at the position and shooting 12 is not "ok". Shooting players who are obviously eliminated is malicious as well. A player who is elimiated and walks through a firefight is not being shot at with malicious intent, however a player who is out of bounds and walking back to his deadbox and gets torched, that IS malicious intent.

You can also state that anything over "X" marks on a person is overshooting, but the problem is we playa team sport. And if you have 5 guys shooting at YOU, and they each hit you one time, that's 5 hits.

Second : Make it a written infraction. 1 for 1, no questions asked. If you are torchign dead guys, you get pulled, and so does a teammate. If you're feeling particularly nasty, make the rule so that for each additional splat mark on the player, another player gets pulled. So if you torcha guy, and put 10 marks on a dead guy, your whole team is pulled and then some the next game.

Third : The refs need to enforce the rule. Instead of saying "it's part of the game" or "you have to accept that", pull guys for overshooting. Do it EARLY in the comp, and get the word out that it will NOT be tolerated.

Fourth : Make a universally accepted signal for elimiated player that just about EVERYONE can do. Gun in the air is impractical, so let's go back to the Knoxville model. Player puts his off hand (Palm down) on top of his head, and walks away. Any player that does this action, or similar action, is IMMEDIATELY considered an elimiated player. (This also gets rid of the dead man's walk, BTW...) ANY Shooting of a player signaling his elimiation in such a way constitues a "Bonus ball" rule. Conversely, any player using the "Dead" signal and continuing play is penalised, as the rules already provide.

It's not that hard, it just involves a little change. And it's not even a RADICAL CHANGE!!!

-Tyger

PS : Any rules series that wants to use these rules is given full permission to do such, modify the language all you want, it's all just procedures. I don't even want a credit, just make the game better.
 

Alien

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The fourth option is the best from my experiance. It'll put the onus back on the player to signal he's eliminated and on the opposing team to make sure his/her hand is signaling they're eliminated.
If its not clear that they are gone, shoot them, they may be pulling a fast one on you:D

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Red_Merkin

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I guess there's a bonus ball 'ediquite'. If a player leaves the field after being shot, with his gun in the air, or removes his arm band, or signals that he's been eliminated then you let him go. If he's mouthing off, shouting at the player who shot him, or telling his team mates to 'punish' the guy who shot him, or hasn't signaled his elimination, then he gets bonus balls.

If a player signals his elimination, and walks directly off the field, and someone bonus balls him, the refs need to be able and willing to pull the player who did it.

Tyger, i understand where you're comming from, but the people who make the rules, don't see bonus balling as a problem. Until someone gets hurt, or makes an official complaint backed with evidence (video?) then this is all just talk.
 

Tyger

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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
Tyger, i understand where you're comming from, but the people who make the rules, don't see bonus balling as a problem. Until someone gets hurt, or makes an official complaint backed with evidence (video?) then this is all just talk.
Does someone have to be injured before you put out a "Caution, cliff edge" sign? Granted, we live in a time when there's disclaimers on soda-straw wrappers, but why not stop it before it starts and appear to be progressive?

-Tyger
 

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send an official complaint to the series organiser of what ever series you play in. Use your weight as a writer for PGI to pressure promoters to make some changes.
 

€gg

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Hmm that is a tuffie

Ok there is only one way outta this kinda of problem. And EVERY ref has to undertake this otherwise you may as well be invisible on the field to these jerks......
# You gotta find out where they live.
# You gotta find out where their parents live.
# You gotta find out where their friends live.
# You gotta find out where the people live who owe them money.
# You gotta find out where they bought they bought their cat

.....and then without growing a concious you gotta...... crank call them until they get fed up and think "maybe i shoudn't have bonus balled" or they change house! Believe me I've done the research and hours of hiding in peoples hedges or trash ain't gonna help things either.
 
Originally posted by Tyger
Ok, you want solutions?
Yes I do
Originally posted by Tyger

First : Define it. A "Bonus Ball" can be defined as a paintball fired at an eliminated player with malicious intent. Under this definition, a player doing a run-through and bunkering <snip>and they each hit you one time, that's 5 hits.
Second : Make it a written infraction. 1 for 1, no questions asked. If you are torchign dead guys, you get pulled, and so does a teammate.
This, if properly enforced would be an excellent answer.
Originally posted by Tyger
If you're feeling particularly nasty, make the rule so that for each additional splat mark on the player, another player gets pulled. So if you torcha guy, and put 10 marks on a dead guy, your whole team is pulled and then some the next game.
This I feel is not realistic or appropriate, the penalty is just too high!
Originally posted by Tyger

Third : The refs need to enforce the rule. Instead of saying "it's part of the game" or "you have to accept that", pull guys for overshooting. Do it EARLY in the comp, and get the word out that it will NOT be tolerated.
Aspirational, but that would make a whole heap of difference! The problem would be that puts a great deal of pressure on the marshals, they need to be very confident to marhsal this rule (on top of all the others) this is fine at milenium/NPPL but at local tourney level its not so easy.

Richard
 
Only one problem...

Now I'm not trying to stir things up - I agree wholeheartedly with Tyger - bonusballing should be stopped. PERIOD.

But the problem with letting normal/average refs decide what was intentional and what isn't can only lead to more problems.

Case in point - last years campaign cup - Ducklings against some english amateur team.
The placement of the deadzone on the CC field was in the corner, back off but still in line with some shooting lanes to a barricade. One of the problems was that there where many possibilities to blind shoot this barricade. So here we have people blind shooting and paint flying over the barricade and impacting on the deadzone and causing a whole bunch o' spray, after the game the team captain comes out screaming that we where shooting at the deadzone on purpose.

Now what would have happened if there had been a lesser experienced ref who was persuaded by the cries from the deadbox, and then went on a 1-4-1 rampage?? Don't think it can't happen - think again.

Also what about a ref who doesn't have the angles to a certain barricade in check. A player walks by on his way to the dead box and gets hit by "mis-aligned" paint - especially when lesser experienced teams are playing tis happens a lot. The ref sees a player getting "bonus balled" and then players get pulled.

Let me repeat I am not against punishing actual bonus ball freaks - quite the opposite, just have to find a way that remove 99% of the doubt as to whether or not he is getting BB'ed.

Hand on top of the head is a good start - dead boxes at the back of the field, right in the middle would also help. If a player gets hit and doesn't get into the deadzone ASAP (straight back) then all is fair.

But for heavens sake let's stop giving refs more "grey areas" to make even more calls, most can't handle it as it is.

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