Any personal Perspectives on the IR3?
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Rooster,
Get in touch with our team captain Lee Burton, he has had his IR3 for about 6 weeks now maybe a bit longer. I am sure he could let you know how good it is. Even better if you are going to temple this weekend cos he'll be there. He might even let you look at it!!!!!
I can't remember his E-mail address but he has posted a few times on the tournament board
Simon Mason
Red heat
Rooster,
Get in touch with our team captain Lee Burton, he has had his IR3 for about 6 weeks now maybe a bit longer. I am sure he could let you know how good it is. Even better if you are going to temple this weekend cos he'll be there. He might even let you look at it!!!!!
I can't remember his E-mail address but he has posted a few times on the tournament board
Simon Mason
Red heat
Matski
Basically...... its in a certain way you pull and release the trigger..
The player in mention didnt know you could do this ... But a marshal did it and showed the player how !!! then he got Banned............
Basically...... its in a certain way you pull and release the trigger..
The player in mention didnt know you could do this ... But a marshal did it and showed the player how !!! then he got Banned............
Its possible that the microswitch has been slightly bent or something similar, this could be causing the trigger to be extra 'bouncy', making it easier to fire off fast zips of shots.
But if the gun was set in semi mode and only fired 1 shot with 1 pull then I dont see why the ref banned him. You say the ref showed him a special way to pull the trigger. Well it is possible to kind of 'rock' the trigger so it is almost just bouncing off your finger but the fact remains that the gun was in semi mode.
The judge was very harsh here and I dont think the player should of been banned, judges at millenium and nppl events as you probably know are under increasing pressure to catch gun-cheats but this judge obviously had no idea of how fast an ir3 can be fired in plain semi mode, he should of got a second opinion.
But if the gun was set in semi mode and only fired 1 shot with 1 pull then I dont see why the ref banned him. You say the ref showed him a special way to pull the trigger. Well it is possible to kind of 'rock' the trigger so it is almost just bouncing off your finger but the fact remains that the gun was in semi mode.
The judge was very harsh here and I dont think the player should of been banned, judges at millenium and nppl events as you probably know are under increasing pressure to catch gun-cheats but this judge obviously had no idea of how fast an ir3 can be fired in plain semi mode, he should of got a second opinion.
The "fault" to call it something for sake of another term is "switch bounce" the LCD is able to be set in this way by both fair (just setting the trigger very very short) and by foul means (shortening of springs etc) the latter is well illegal the former...mmmm difficult but if a marker is able to be set in this "way" then it falls into the catorgery of being in contry to the rules of the event. To discover via these boards than an IR3 is able to be set in this way is not much of a surprise, as to the marker being taken out of play...if it's in the rules? no problem (ignorence is no defence). Half of the Russian Legion were removed from playing a game in the World Cup last year unless they were returned to normal setting, the markers were found to be in this way of setting at the pre-game chrono procedure so Bill Cookson and Mr Rice were both informed and it was decided that as the field was ahead of the others there was time in hand so the Legions markers were all returned to normal usage (it should be said at this point that the Legion had only made the trigger pulls very very short, NOT by cutting springs etc), though all the markers were dismantled by WDP to be checked and they were reset by WDP and they (Legion) were also told that should they be found to have their Angels set like that at any time in the future they would lose their WDP sponsorship. All of this infomation is not second hand hearsay.......I was the Judge who found the markers set like that and it wasn't just the Legion I found like that but they were just the most from one team that I chrono-ed found to have this "fault", and yes all the other markers found to be set like that were stopped from being used until reset. Also several markers, NOT Angels, were found to be unlocked so the same was applied to those markers. All electro's can be set ( switch bounce) in this way due to the nature of the switch mechanism's used in the high end electro's. The Intimimnators and the Matrix are the usual markers set this way, ever wondered why there is paint raining down on you? now you know! And Tony as you said the marshal knew how to do it (fire the marker in that way) and the rules say that you can do anything to the marker the player can, other than use tools, so the chrono procedure was correct...harsh for the player but correct, perhaps the opportunity to reset the marker should have been allowed but then it is all due to time restraints, which I understand from other postings regarding Germany were all a little tight.
Whoops - missed this one, sorry Jynx.
When I said little play I should have said little hold, I didn't actually get to have a go with gas/paint yet
(Not for lack of trying mind )Personal preference comes into it a lot from my limited experience, but I don't like the way the IR3 feels in my hands - sure, it can probably rip out a string of paint like no other, but if I'm not comfortable holding it, I'm not gonna play well with it.
As for the trigger bounce thing, it seems that all major tourney series are coming down on it like a ton of bricks. The original grip firmware in my race had a bounce from hell on it - combined with my trigger setting (ultra-short), I might as well have had it in F/A - my finger stayed still and the marker went off on one. The later firmware has a filter in, and apparently there is a new version in the making which is supposed to be even better - almost eliminates completely.
I can see why the tourney series are clamping down on it - the same reasons for banning "modes". Th eonly problem is the number of markers out there which have "trigger-bounce".
It could come to a point where manufacturers need to limit how short a trigger can be made, as length seems to be a major issue (story of my life that one!
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Matski
WTF they should have banned the Marshall from the event and given your guy another marker and a chance to play.
IR3
At the end of the day...... the player should of been told he cant use it and have it seen to....that is my opinion.......not banned...
they where checking the Matrix I think as well ... yet no one was checking the Race Gun Markers and as everyone nows who as fired one or tryed one out you can fire auto..........with them... there was a team playing with them and as far as I know they didnt get checked.....
the Race grips will give you a Auto Mode just by holding the trigger in yet the IR3 cant ....as someone as said earlier rocking the trigger the markers fires two three shots..... is that auto ??
I think it was harsh to ban the player ..........................
Tony
At the end of the day...... the player should of been told he cant use it and have it seen to....that is my opinion.......not banned...
they where checking the Matrix I think as well ... yet no one was checking the Race Gun Markers and as everyone nows who as fired one or tryed one out you can fire auto..........with them... there was a team playing with them and as far as I know they didnt get checked.....
the Race grips will give you a Auto Mode just by holding the trigger in yet the IR3 cant ....as someone as said earlier rocking the trigger the markers fires two three shots..... is that auto ??
I think it was harsh to ban the player ..........................
Tony