a bit Curious and paranoid?

[Tom Allen]

so it does, silly me........eclipse shockers have been treated with fairy dust, therefore they will never wear out.

shockers, are good guns, some solenoid problems with the early pvi ones, a bit heavy on gas, and a bit large, but lovely to use, soft to fire and very accurate.

 

[ChiZZerS]

Originally posted by Tom Allen
so it does, silly me........eclipse shockers have been treated with fairy dust, therefore they will never wear out.

shockers, are good guns, some solenoid problems with the early pvi ones, a bit heavy on gas, and a bit large, but lovely to use, soft to fire and very accurate.

silliy you

YAY! FAIRY DUST!

I HAVE A FAIRY DUSTED SHOKER! AND YOU DONT!

 

[QuackingPlums]

micro-switches cost about 99p from Maplin, or mebbe £1.50 for the "deluxe" version (it'll come in a nicer bag)... find one that fits and works the same way, then find someone who is good with a soldering iron... easy as pie.

 

[dr.strangelove]

I really doubt that the main reason for WDP switching from micro to opto switch was the cost of replacing them under warranty. As a regular consumer I can buy the exact switch that they use for less than a dollar, and if you buy them in quantities in the thousands like WDP does, you get big discounts. The opto switch provides for a lighter, crisper pull, is far more dependable and also lasts like 50% longer, and that's why WDP switched. I'm surprised more marker companies haven't followed suit considering the popularity of the Angel Opto switch and the Eblade.

I don't think I'd worry too much about wearing out your switch just playing around dry firing. Think of it this way, how many times a day do you click the mouse on your computer? It uses a microswitch much the same as the ones used in electronic paintball markers. Your solenoid may not benefit from extraneous use, but the last thing in the world I'd be concerned with is the switch.

 

[manike]

Do you actually know what 'Warranty cost' means?

It means the cost of failure of the part. It doesn't mean the cost of the part on it's own.

Warranty cost on a failed microswitch which was attached to their board meant on the whole that they would change the boards over. Now under most circumstances they would also have to cover shipping of the gun back to the owner, and pay for the labour costs to tech and fix the gun. All of that added up is WARRANTY COST!

Now you can see how if a cheap micro swicth fails it could end up costing a large sum of money to fix.

Oh and the other reason I know that is the reason they changed, is because John Rice told me himself.

The opto switch has no mechanical parts to fail and should last a huge amount longer, not just 50%.

I've killed switches in electronic guns just by the amount my guns get shot/tested.

 

[Matski]

Si your in Texas? Hows it going?

Oh yeah, on topic, the cost was the leader, finding a more cost effective alternative meant some innovation plus there was the whole issue of bounce which the setup, may, reduce the chance of...

 

[dr.strangelove]

The microswitches were simply soldered to three leads on the board, so I wouldn't have thought that replacing them would have meant swapping boards (since I could probably replace it with my consumer grade soldering iron in about 10 minutes, including heat-up time). But I guess if WDP was replacing an entire board, free of charge, for the sake of a part that costs pennies, that could add up pretty fast. Of course, since WDP's parts warranty is only 1 year, probably a majority of the boards they were replacing were paid for by the customer (I haven't run into anyone with an angel who's had to get their board replaced in less than a year), and being sold for a massive markup. And since every time I've sent my Angel in for repair I've had to pay for shipping, I didn't account for that either.

 

[Matski]

Despite all of that my friend, your still gonna get customers standing there demanding that the switch is part of the board, the board is still under warranty, new board please..., fools thinking they can get a fast rof by setting their trigger pull to 0.0005th of a mm (slight exageration) and feathering the trigger dosn't help the life of a microswitch either and many can be warn in under a year. Then as Si mentioned youve got the labour and opportunity costs of having staff sit there and fix the switch. The opto trig is much more reliable.

 

[dr.strangelove]

No argument here that the opto switch is the better of the two,I just don't think WDP was really breaking themselves replacing microswitches, or at least not the extent that it was the sole reason for switching to opto. You know, one of these days we're gonna be sitting here going, "remember those opto switches? Man those things sucked, you could only get like 30 bps out of them. With the new plasma switches you can get 50 bps, and they never wear out". Ahh, the wonders of technology.

 

[Tom Allen]

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
No argument here that the opto switch is the better of the two,I just don't think WDP was really breaking themselves replacing microswitches, or at least not the extent that it was the sole reason for switching to opto. You know, one of these days we're gonna be sitting here going, "remember those opto switches? Man those things sucked, you could only get like 30 bps out of them. With the new plasma switches you can get 50 bps, and they never wear out". Ahh, the wonders of technology.

Those drugs are great, nuclear powered markers, force fields..........wow!!