50 Caliber Revolution

[Dusty]

And one other thing; because Richmond has increased the density of the paint, thus giving us a heavier ball, this also increases the inertial value which has a two fold effect, it increases the ball's accuracy and distance shot when compared to a .5 calibre ball of a lesser weighted (less dense) fill.

Also negating the requirement for a much higher exit velocity, and increasing the likelihood of a break on target at distance due to a higher relative impact force which in actual fact should be much like being shot by a regular .68 paintball.......


In summary, no more or less painful, no more or less likely to break, but cheaper all round and more accurate over longer distances.

Tell me again why thats bad?

 

[SJS]

What advantage?

If I have the choice of shooting .68 paint or .50 paint, and I feel like winning, I'll be shooting .68. Four times the mass of .50 paint at only double the cross-sectional area means it slows down half as fast, is more resistant to changes in direction (read: more accurate), is fired at a speed closer to the impact speed (less bounces), has a more fragile shell (less bounces), etc, etc.

In a competitive environment, no one is going to switch to .50 cal unless they are forcefully prohibited from using .68 paint.

What!? Did you actually read the thread?

The new era of 50 calibre paintball means cheaper paint for the paintballer, it means hundreds more paintballs in the loader, it means thousands more balls in your pots, it means a more accurate flight path, it means it shoots further and all this with the same marking characteristics as the original 68 caliber balls.

So, more balls in your pots, more balls in your hoppers, more acurate flight path are all advantages. Given a choice and if money was no problem, I think I would be shooting .50 Cal paint.

 

[Shlomo]

What!? Did you actually read the thread?
So, more balls in your pots, more balls in your hoppers, more acurate flight path are all advantages. Given a choice and if money was no problem, I think I would be shooting .50 Cal paint.

Yeah, me too. And if it came to maths, I'd always go with Robbo


There's one thing I'd like to know. Sorry if I missed something

I understand that the .50 caliber balls will be made with a higher density and therefore heavier. But does that mean relatively or absolutely heavier than a .68 caliber ball?

In Germany, paintball guns are limited to a certain muzzle energy. Energy is determined by weight and speed of the ball. So a lighter ball would allow a higher velocity.

Schlomo, my German friend, how are you mate?
Have you settled down to just ONE woman yet??????

Not yet my friend. Beeing so attractive brings obligations; doesn't it?
I'll drop you a mail. Would be great to see you soon!

 

[Rider]

as the volume is so much smaller i guess its heavier than if it was a standard fill in a .50 ball - rather than heavier than a .68 i think it will still be lighter, but from what is said, not much lighter.

the UK is also restricted in terms of muzzle energy by the way.

 

[Chicago]

Chicago is 100% right!

Unless ofcourse they have developed a new type of shell and a new type of (heavier) fill, then he is 100% wrong.

I love how people flame new things without even having seen the items being discussed.

Come on Chris, for somebody that has shown to be able to think out of the box, you are very rigid in your thinking here. There's just too much you don't know to be able to jump to conclusions like you do here. Like I said, assuming that the only thing they do is shrink the ball, you are absolutely right. If they managed to make a smaller ball which has more or less the same weight as a .68, you are absolutely wrong. That ball would suffer less drag with the same momentum (assuming it's fired at the same speed) and thus would travel further.

I'm not saying they have cracked this, I'm not saying they haven't. I'm just saying that some people look like they are potentially putting a foot in their mouths.

And you don't see the natural consequence of putting the same mass, velocity and energy in an object that breaks over half the area?

You're right, I made the assumption that we were going to have the same density in the new paintball, because that seemed to be the only reasonable assumption. But if the plan is to put MORE density in a smaller paintball, that plan is even worse!

If it's less mass in less volume, then the performance characteristics will stink and it won't be effective and will make paintball less fun.

If it's the same mass in less volume, then it is going to be tearing clothing and breaking skin, and it's going to make paintball less fun.

Hell, screw .50 cal. Let's go all the way! We don't even have to come up with new guns! All we have to do is switch to airsoft guns with metal BBs. Weighs the same, smaller cross-sectional area for more accuracy, and won't even need paint, because you can just check for blood!

I'm not poo-pooing the idea because it's new. I'm poo-pooing the idea because it is going to cause damage to the sport.

And I really don't get it. Smart Parts Billy Ball mode is the best thing ever. Then they follow with this. I'm completely confused.

 

[Chicago]

What!? Did you actually read the thread?



So, more balls in your pots, more balls in your hoppers, more acurate flight path are all advantages. Given a choice and if money was no problem, I think I would be shooting .50 Cal paint.

Do you believe everything someone writes in a press release? If so, PM me your email address, as I have some press releases to send you.

 

[Buddha 3]

And you don't see the natural consequence of putting the same mass, velocity and energy in an object that breaks over half the area?

You're right, I made the assumption that we were going to have the same density in the new paintball, because that seemed to be the only reasonable assumption. But if the plan is to put MORE density in a smaller paintball, that plan is even worse!

If it's less mass in less volume, then the performance characteristics will stink and it won't be effective and will make paintball less fun.

If it's the same mass in less volume, then it is going to be tearing clothing and breaking skin, and it's going to make paintball less fun.

Hell, screw .50 cal. Let's go all the way! We don't even have to come up with new guns! All we have to do is switch to airsoft guns with metal BBs. Weighs the same, smaller cross-sectional area for more accuracy, and won't even need paint, because you can just check for blood!

I'm not poo-pooing the idea because it's new. I'm poo-pooing the idea because it is going to cause damage to the sport.

And I really don't get it. Smart Parts Billy Ball mode is the best thing ever. Then they follow with this. I'm completely confused.

Again, you have a point. But only if Richmond and his posse haven't developed a new shell that for all we know breaks a lot easier. And since you don't know he has or hasn't, you are just being negative without knowing sweet FA about what you are talking about.
Usually when I don't know sweet FA about what I'm talking about, I tend to reserve judgment, like I do now. Don't know if it's gonna be good or bad until I see it.

Seems like you're just being argumentative.

 

[Buddha 3]

Do you believe everything someone writes in a press release? If so, PM me your email address, as I have some press releases to send you.

That did make me laugh.

 

[Chicago]

Again, you have a point. But only if Richmond and his posse haven't developed a new shell that for all we know breaks a lot easier.

And that would make a difference how? You don't want a shell that breaks easier! If it breaks easier, that means less of the paintball's energy is used breaking the shell, and even MORE of it impacts the player!

Not to mention, if it breaks easier on the player, it breaks easier coming out of the gun.

Paintballs have a sweet spot - you want them to be sturdy enough to get out of the gun, but no sturdier than that, otherwise they're more likely to bounce. Bouncing is bad for performance reasons, and also bad because it hurts more since the paintball not only has to be stopped, but also must be accelerated in a different direction.


What really matters is the mass of the paintball, the area over which the paintball impacts, and the time over which the paintball impacts. And that totals for a CUBIC change - if you reduce the caliber by half, you increase the impact force by EIGHT - twice for the width, twice for the height, and twice for halving the impact time.

 

[Matski]

I think it's pretty naive to believe that this ball can be SO damn good, the all problem solving, golden goose for paintball. The devil is in the details, there is nearly always a catch....possibly players bleeding out before they can leave the field. I hope it's amazing, but time will tell.