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[Magued]

We on the millenium board need your opinion on a important matter.

For the last weeks we have had a lively discussion about the " no look rule"

The rule that inforce eliminated players to not be allowed to look at the game from the deadbox.
The rule was inforced to stop players from interferring with the game and the problems we had after alot of games where the players came out and told the reffs all the wrong thing they saw.

The rule worked and the millenium series have had a minimum amount of trouble after games after the rule was inforced.

The problem with the rule is obvious. Players cant watch there teams after they been shoot out. The captains cant say what went wrong/right and it takes away so much of the excitement of the game.

The debatte have gone back and forward and we really need some feedback to this problem.

Forget all politics and prestige. lets solve this now with some brilliant ideas.

How do we stop the problem with players interferring whithout treating them like children?

How do we not go back to the same problem we had before?
The incident at Mardi Gras was a good example about the need of a rule to stop eliminated players getting back in fighting.

We need to have a rule that can be inforced by even the worst reffs.

So think first and post some ideas. This issue needs to be solved before Max masters so we have some time to brainstorm

Magued Idris - Millenium series dude

 

[TJ Lambini]

For starters, take all their guns off of em as soon as they come off-field...stops em tampering with em as well as preventing enraged post-elimination bonus-balling. Why can't the dead box just be a little way off-field, in a no-mask zone, so players can see but not interfere?

Whatever u choose dude, choose well - but the no-look rule is about as dumb-ass as they come...

Peace

 

[Kieran - Thunder]

Why not just have players leave the field once eliminated, having reported to a judge at the field exit for chrono is necessary? That way they are the other side of the netting and can interfere no more than the crowd but still watch the game.

 

[booga]

Kieran's pretty much got it right there although I think some players would just walk straight back onto the field if they felt their team had been treated unfairly.
Getting eliminated players off the actual tourny field would stop probably 7 out of 10 of these confrontations.
1-4-1, 2-4-1 etc won't work once a game is over, unless you start to carry the penalty to the next game so they only start with six players or however many they've been penalised for, or maybe a fixed penalty point 'fine' for such behavior.

Perhaps a better system would be to have a netted off dead area
just off the main field with one marshall with the teams, any issues the players have with what's happening on field would be raised with the ' deadbox' marshall (That'll be a popular job eh!).
If the players in the box can see an on field incident the marshall with them should be able to validate or dismiss their comlaint from the same viewpoint.

It's not the best solution but I don't think there is a solution that is going to keep everbody happy.

 

[Robbo]

Hey Magued,
I know we have already talked at length regarding this subject but I think the people who read this thread need to hear a few things: -
This rule was initially designed to deter players from running back on the field and getting involved in either fights or arguments.
The powers that be thought, to prevent players who had been eliminated from even looking behind them was the way to go and thus would somehow prevent certain players from getting involved.
This is what I don’t like about it:-
Firstly, I don’t like being treated like a frikkin kid and told to ‘sit over there, keep your mouth shut’ and not even look behind.
I agree 100% that something should be done to penalize and thus deter players from going back on the field but this 'no look' rule is a frikkin insult to our intelligence.
It is almost impossible for all players to keep looking away from the field with a game still going on behind them, any noise, whether it be shouting or a gun firing will in some cases (with no real intent to break rules) cause players to automatically look behind.
It is just a natural thing to do…..and to be penalised for it is a frikkin joke.
The whole point of this rule is to prevent players getting involved and this is easily achieved in the same way by saying, ‘Any player talking to anybody on the field of play (judge or player) or leaving the dead box will then be penalised’.
This way, we are not treated like frikkin 5 year olds and the required deterrent is still in place.
Also, to enforce this stupid-ass rule takes up resources.
Imagine at the end of the game when judges have to really concentrate on what’s going on and their attention is paramount to proceedings; imagine those same judges having to keep looking at the dead boxes to ensure no dead players have their heads turned round.
Now, if the ‘no talking’ and ‘no moving’ from the dead box rules are imposed, instead of the no look rule, then there is no consequent impingement on ref attention.
The judge can still adjudicate matters and if he hears anything from the dead box, then and only then does he get involved.
If a player leaves the dead box and comes into view, once again there is no effect on judging attention until the offence has been made.
This rule is like saying, ‘to prevent accidents from happening in cars, we are going to stop everybody driving’.
True we have to try and cut accidents down but not at the expense of everybody else in such a Draconian manner.
There are ways to do things, sensible ways, WTF is this rule doing in the rule book ?
Robbo

 

[Liz]

I completely agree with Robbo here - I was going to do a long response but he's said just about everything I wanted to say (& probably better than I would have).

I think the saddest thing is that we even have to consider rules like this. I know this is an "adrenalin" sport but all the same players should be able to show a bit of self-control. Yes, everyone gets a bit het up at times but most of us manage to keep it to the safe zone after the game & then it's just a rant to our team-mates. Incidents like those that reportedly happened at the Mardi Gras with eliminated players firing are just completely unnecessary & can only be bad for the sport in general & especially it's image.

 

[Stan]

Remember when you went your local site all those years ago? Well how about a similar system for when you get eliminated...

You go straight to the Dead Zone by the fastest route. If you meander around the field you get a 1-4-1.

You rack your marker into a wooden rack so that you can't fire at anyone or tamper with it. (Besides, i would rather rack my Cocker than have to put it in the mud.)

Then you enter a marshal-supervised, netted Dead Box allocated to your end of the field where you have to remove your mask.

All this gets rid of post-elimination Bonus Balling, 'Gun Tampering, possible confusion of eliminated players standing in the open getting shot at, etc.

If a player has any sense, they won't try and get onto the field without their mask. If the Dead Zone marshal sees a player putting their mask back on they have time to issue a warning and arrange a 1-4-1 if necessary.

(Lack of mask also makes it easier to spot someone shouting without a mask obscuring the vision of the Deadbox Marshal?)

Anyway, just my 2p's worth...

 

[Beaker]

One major thing that I think makes a difference is that the dead boxes should be at the ends of the field.

In the old Mill style with boxes at the sides it was much easier for players to see what the opposition is doing so try and call fouls etc.

If dead boxes are at each end teams only really see there own players (which they care about) but often not enough to be able to call fouls excessively.

I would vote that the dead box is screened as it is currently. Then players must drop their guns at a side box like toulouse, then must be in a box 1m either side (not in front) of the edge of the screen:

That way:

Players can watch the game if they want round the sides
Players can "hide" behind the screens masking the count if they want.
Moving outside the box or verbal is a straight 2-4-1.
Picking up and discharging a marker is a 3-4-1 and 50 point penalty.

 

[JeanManuel]

I don't know yet what's going to happen with that rule, as it is currently being discussed by the Millennium board.
Anyway, I remember my first tournaments in the woods. The dead zones were set up out of sight from the field, to prevent eliminated players from interfering with the game, and also not to let a team count the eliminated players. Who complained at that time?
I understand you feel frustrated when wondering what's happening to the rest of your team. I've been there.
Robbo says he doesn't want to be treated as a kid, and I can understand that too. But would we be discussing that rule if scores of players hadn't behaved like ill-tempered kids? If we hadn't seen shots from the dead zone, insults, threats, bullying, fights? Tell me: who among you has seen less than 10 such incidents?
When some players just go mad, do you believe they think, do you believe they care about 1x1, 1x2 or 1x99? I've seen dozens of dozens of players behaving like "frikkin kids". Granted, I've seen ten time as many players behaving like adults are supposed to. And most of the time, they're the victims of the other bunch.
So, whatever the solution you come up with, you must make sure eliminated players who go wild won't be able to communicate with (nor be seen by anybody) on or off the field at the end of the game. We want to avoid hot arguments and we don't want the public to know we host people who had better undergo a therapy.
Call that rule stupid if you wish, but come up with something better and serious -not something like "let them have their fun".

Jean-Manuel

 

[alvaro]

no look rule at mardi gras

i agree that this rule is not very smart but after the problem of mardi gras i have to agree that we should apply the no look rule.

at mardi gras, the teams were allowed to look through the net of the starting base and once again problems appear and very big problems between aftershock and dynasty. it was not the only teams to create problems

after these problems , i am sure that the nppl will apply this rule.

it´s a shame that this rule should exist because of some teams but it will avoid big problems.


alvaro