Kids Today...

[NSKlad]

2 & 7 for sure and 9 might actually be a good thing.

Paintball at any level is a massive commitment financial and time. Most don't really understand or make this commitment, which in my mind is a lack of repect (no7). This leads to No.2, because they either suck on field, cheat like little cnuts or fcuk up your team relationships. This leads to the raft of stupid rules at Tournaments and beastly German ultimates, which in turn takes us to No 9. What's the point of spending several G's a year to have a sh*t time at an event. May as well go Vegas do the lot on hookers & blow and actually have a good time. At the moment the Paintball industry (sic) is alienating many people above 25 by pandering to the little runts.

How pleasant, especially coming from a mod on these forums. Ironic that you talk about alienating older players when you turn and do that very thing to younger ones, who strangely enough will be the ones playing in 10-20 years time.

I'm 17, and admittedly I can't afford to play much, but I understand what commitment means. If kids suck, train them, don't say, "Oh, they're useless little sh!ts, let's get rid of them."

As for messing with team relationships and cheating, that's the most sweeping generalisation I have ever read in my life. I have never knowingly cheated at a tournament, training session or otherwise, and all the players on my team are my close friends.

Where's your justification for this junk?

1. Growth, yes, safety, no.
2. Not really.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. What's that supposed to mean?
6. damn right.
7. One hell of a generalisation, it's down to the individual.
8. Who knows?
9. Again, who knows?
10. I damn well do, who the hell else can I learn from?

 

[Missy-Q]

1. Growth, yes, safety, no.
2. Not really.
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. What's that supposed to mean?
6. damn right.
7. One hell of a generalisation, it's down to the individual.
8. Who knows?
9. Again, who knows?
10. I damn well do, who the hell else can I learn from?

Thanks for the input.

ref your answers. Why?

 

[stongle]

1.How pleasant, especially coming from a mod on these forums. Ironic that you talk about alienating older players when you turn and do that very thing to younger ones, who strangely enough will be the ones playing in 10-20 years time.

2. Where's your justification for this junk?

In response,

1. It's a generalisation. Sure not all kids are like this, but enough are! And perhaps if someone was honest and said something once in a while the smart amongst you "might" start to think how your AGG (or watever it is this year) behaviour is intepreted by others around you.

2. Because I've seen it and been on several teams where it's happened. Whether amateur or fully sponsored factory teams, kids are generally the reason teams end up imploding. Infact the best ever result we had a major event was when we dumped all the kids and only played adults. The 4ft high Millennium trophy says so.

 

[ses_paintball]

while i agree there are kids that are arrogant and think they are bigger than the team they only get noticed because of the things they do, no one ever goes "look how polite and well behaved that team is" thats why people get the impression its how a lot of kids act, my entire team consists of 16 year olds including myself, we treat everyone with respect because you never know someone bigger will thump you if you're cheeky, we simply be polite have laugh and treat people how we like to be treated.

 

[Xmini-ballerX]

With reference to Paintball. In your opinions, which of the 10 phrases below are true (in the UK), and why?

Kids today:

1. Will continue to grow our game, and it's future is safe.
2. Are the problem with todays game
3. Are contributing more and more to the industry
4. Contribute nothing, yet take everything they possibly can from the industry
5. r 'kewl' - u just hav 2 undustand dem
6. Hey, we were all kids once, before we were ostriches, let them be.
7. Have no respeck
8. Will design killer technically superior paintball products for future use.
9. Will probably bring about the death of paintball as we know it.
10. Respect the older and more experienced players they play with/against.

Im 13 I think this
1.TRUE
2.UNFAIR
3.TRUE
4.UNFAIR
5.IF YOU LIKE ??
6.UNKOWN??
7.UNFAIR ANYLASIS
8.MAYBE?
9.NOPE
10.TRUE

Kids are contantly wanting to play,I.E always need to be occupied doing somthing they like.I like paintball so i always want to play paintball,and if it was not for this constant thrive of paintball i would not tell EVERYONE in my school about it,Getting my word across has already interested many kids at my school and even a few teachers.So we are the foundations of the sport as a few of the more elder ballers may not be around when/if the sport reaches the olympics so,WE (kids) need to be there to carry the sport on.

As for kids are the proberlem of todays game ,that is not trueas above YOU NEED US (i think ?)

 

[Matski]

I think the game (at a tournament level) has got itself into a bit of a paradox. The market needs paying customers (typically older, fatter people with jobs) whilst many of the "star" players on teams are teenage, cocky, arrogant, moochers. In a game of paintball, the fact is a team full of the latter will probably destroy a team compiled of the former, so it's unsurprising that the older guys have been pushed out - yet the market still needs them.

I'd lean towards 249 over the rest.

 

[Missy-Q]

Im 13 I think this
1.TRUE
2.UNFAIR
3.TRUE
4.UNFAIR
5.IF YOU LIKE ??
6.UNKOWN??
7.UNFAIR ANYLASIS
8.MAYBE?
9.NOPE
10.TRUE

Kids are contantly wanting to play,I.E always need to be occupied doing somthing they like.I like paintball so i always want to play paintball,and if it was not for this constant thrive of paintball i would not tell EVERYONE in my school about it,Getting my word across has already interested many kids at my school and even a few teachers.So we are the foundations of the sport as a few of the more elder ballers may not be around when/if the sport reaches the olympics so,WE (kids) need to be there to carry the sport on.

As for kids are the proberlem of todays game ,that is not trueas above YOU NEED US (i think ?)

Hey Mini-baller, thanks for your input. I would just like to get a bit more out of you though if thats possible. Could you explain 'why?' in the cases where you wrote 'true'.
I am loving how the youngsters are rallying, but you guys have to have a couple of counter-arguments to back up what you're saying for it to have more clout. There has to be more than 'true' next to all the things you like the sound of, and 'unfair' next to the ones you don't like at all. Why is it unfair? Why is it true?

 

[NSKlad]

Thanks for the input.

ref your answers. Why?

No problem, so...

This is all my opinion and my limited understanding, but it's just sort of common sense really.

1. In order for the sport to even exist it has to constantly have fresh input (new players). These are most likely to be younger people who've started by playing at a rec site and want to learn more. Also, as companies like Dye and Dangerous Power continue to make budget kit and markers which get cheaper and cheaper, more people, especially kids, can afford to play.

However, I doubt paintball will ever be safe. So long as there are stupid people who buy cheap guns and shoot ducks, or stupid governments *Cough*German CDU*Cough* who try to ban 'balling because some kid went nuts and shot people (Even though they ought to be tightening gun laws, seeing as he used a gun, not a marker), Paintball will never be in a secure position. Immature children with bad attitudes won't help, not that I'm saying there are many, but it's true.

2. Define "The Problem," because that's a very loose term.

3. More players around to buy kit, bigger market, more cash. Maybe they'l get their parents to buy them guchi Egos with swarovski crystals, or maybe they'l work hard for months to scrape an SLG.

4. I purchased my kit, I go out and plan when I can, my team has sponsors, we advertise for them and thank them. So I've pumped a few pennies into the industry, the industry's given me toys and somewhere to play. I don't take anything that I haven't worked for.

5. uhh.... see my first post.

6. That's exactley the way it should be. Everyone was young once, people grow up, why be a Nazi to those who still have yet to learn?

7. I don't have "Gangsta from da streetz" respeckt for anybody. I have respect, spelled and pronounced properly, for those who I feel deserve it. Respect is earned, not given.

8. Quite possibly I guess, I mean, compare a Luxe to a 'cocker. The Luxe talks to you in a sexy voice and shoots a million balls per second or what-have-you, the cocker either goes "blat blat blat," "chop chop chop," or doesn't do either because it's too complex for a little kid to fix.

The more technology in general advances, the more gizmoey things will get, but that all relies on the big companies still having the cash to invest.

9. Haven't got an answer to that. (Bet you're glad )

10. As I said in the last post any good kid playing ball will respect his elders, because they're better players and know what they are chatting about. I can't imagine learning much from playing all year round with people at the same level as myself.

That any good?

Sorry for the essay, but you did ask for it.

 

[Missy-Q]

Kids today consume far too much sugar and as a result spend far too much time being hyper!

As for their knowledge of birth or otherwise, they seem to know the facts of life far earlier than we ever did, especially those around paintball

In reply to the edited additional content of the above post, I think that is a very negative attitude!

the 'fate is inexorable' attitude?

 

[stongle]

I think the game (at a tournament level) has got itself into a bit of a paradox. The market needs paying customers (typically older, fatter people with jobs) whilst many of the "star" players on teams are teenage, cocky, arrogant, moochers. In a game of paintball, the fact is a team full of the latter will probably destroy a team compiled of the former, so it's unsurprising that the older guys have been pushed out - yet the market still needs them.

And I agree, at a high level. But at lower levels a lot of these kids are getting smoked by the older teams. Of the influx of young talent paintball get's only a few actually play at this higher level. The problem is, we tried to move tournament far to quickly to a bonefide sport to cater for these youngsters, but there was simply not enough commited stars to fulfil this. Sure the older fat guys might be (per Robbo) displaced Rec Ballers, but Paintball tried to jump a whole evolutionary step here partly because we believed these kids were the future.

And before anyone jumps out their box (painters in or not), it's my opinion only not a fact.