Are the BNP a real threat?

[Bon]

People are people, we're a brutal bunch make no mistake. the Tutsis and the Hutus were getting on fine for a long time before Rwanda ended up in genocide. The Balkans is another example, people who were neighbours one year were killing each other in the most horrendous ways the next.

Bon, there is no middle ground, people who even entertain policies like Nick Griffin and his poisonous cohorts need to be stopped.

However, I don't seriously believe that a couple of MEP seats means Nick Griffin is going to be redesignating Butlins for other purposes.

And for what it's worth, i'm not even overly concerned about the election results. However, it has given me an opportunity to put across the argument against the BNP and to point out their disingenuous, two faced "manifesto".

However, why give them a chance? They had their chance, we (UK, USA, USSR, Poland, France, Australia, NZ, SA, Commonwealth troops and many others) kicked their arse, and we'll do it again

I might design my own manefesto tomrow and start a thread on how people react to different policies. Unfortunately having just finished a rediculously long WoW raid im feeling the urge to sleep

I don't put much faith in the media, either. The media will only make a fuss about something if they know it will sell, a shift in what's morally acceptable means a shift in what the media writes about. In the end of the day, they're still a business out to make money.

Not to mention that a lot of different newspapers are owned by the same person. Rupurt Murdoch owns over 175 newspaper titles across the globe, most of which (Funnily enough) supported the Iraq war. I mean, that's just a coincidence, right? Considering he himself supports the war, and is heavily involved with politics himself

Oil man oil, just think of that Black gold!

 

[niallist]

Some reading here for those that are interested in the original proposition by Basik.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/09/bnp-fascism-meps-far-right

 

[Bambulus]

So, briefly, the re-occurring themes are that:

Votes towards the BNP are just a phase, being the result of an unsatisfactory outcome of the current dominant parties, and that once people realise that the BNP can't really help they'll lose their votes.

That we shouldn't really worry about the BNP gaining power as they're alot weaker than we so imagine, but we shouldn't let it slip concern.

And that far right parties gaining power in eastern european countries should be more cause for concern, because they've been hit harder by the recession and are a lot more volatile.

 

[dicksin200]

well

what can you say.i cant see where the big problem is,they are a party like any other.unless you read the sun then they are evil natzis load of twonk.strange how they only evil when it gets to voting time.come on people read between the lines.i will say i didnt vote as i look at it this way if im going to be shafted better it be a suprise.as for migrant workers and illegal imigrants well they have screwed the country up.the more of them that come here the house prices went up till they hit the point of collapsing banks and making housing here un affordable.i hear you say (racist)but im not im a realist.just look at crime wow its through the roof.and trust me have you ever vistited anyone in prison its full(of migrants) yes those hard working ones.so as you have all said you wouldnt vote for them think again why not they are the only party with any backbone,and they stand up for the rights earned by our grandparents that were paid in blood.so dont slag them of read up before you slag them of(but dont read the papers).as i mentioned before i dont vote but if there was a you must vote they would get mine.we have been shafted by all the others so the bnp cant do any worse(least i have the balls to say it).people are just frightend of what they do not know....

 

[Buddha 3]

Godwins Law, brilliant


Aside from that, do you not think society has changed enough for a repeat of Hitlers rise to genocidal maniac to be seen long before it gets to such a bad possition? The media would blow anything close to that (more along the lines of deporting valid imigrants, not wiping out ethnic minorities) through the roof before anything did happen?


Maybe I have too much faith.


If things did get too sticky, at least the Monarchy I imagine still retains the power to dismantle the current elected government even if it hasn't been used in a long time.

Yes, you are having way too much faith in humanity. The only faith you can have in humanity is that we are godawfully violent. Earlier posts have already mentioned similar things happening quite recently. For f*ck's sake, there were concentration camps in Bosnia!

Deportation of selected individuals is step one in ethnic cleansing. The Nazis didn't just start off deporting and killing jews, it was a gradual process, which started in the exact same way that you describe BNP policies.

Also, Hitler wasn't the cause of all this. Hitler was a product of the times. If he hadn't done what he did, somebody else would have. Hitler didn't create the Nazi party. He wasn't even one of it's original members.

If we don't learn from history, we are bound to repeat it. And unfortunately it seems that we forget the lessons learned from history as soon as it starts slipping from living history, into just history...

 

[Paintball_Mad]

Yes, you are having way too much faith in humanity. The only faith you can have in humanity is that we are godawfully violent. Earlier posts have already mentioned similar things happening quite recently. For f*ck's sake, there were concentration camps in Bosnia!

Deportation of selected individuals is step one in ethnic cleansing. The Nazis didn't just start off deporting and killing jews, it was a gradual process, which started in the exact same way that you describe BNP policies.

Also, Hitler wasn't the cause of all this. Hitler was a product of the times. If he hadn't done what he did, somebody else would have. Hitler didn't create the Nazi party. He wasn't even one of it's original members.

If we don't learn from history, we are bound to repeat it. And unfortunately it seems that we forget the lessons learned from history as soon as it starts slipping from living history, into just history...

Basically said everything I was going to there. In times of 'crises' like these (credit crunch, apparently and wars etc...) people will look for the greatest change and more extreme views.

Bon deep down you know, like everyone else that supports BNP, it will lead to no good and more traditional methods will work out in the end.

 

[JackMole]

the rise of the nazi party is very similar though. At the time germany was in an economical crisis much worse to ours. What was happening is that working class germans were told that the jewish were the problem. At the moment as much as i hate to generalise working class northerners are being told that the immigrants are the problem that there taking jobs. Yes they are a threat they are starting the same way. BUT it will take a lot of england voting for a serious threat

 

[sumo89]

as for migrant workers and illegal imigrants well they have screwed the country up.the more of them that come here the house prices went up till they hit the point of collapsing banks and making housing here un affordable.

yeah ok, whatever you say.

 

[TomMcTaf]

the rise of the nazi party is very similar though. At the time germany was in an economical crisis much worse to ours. What was happening is that working class germans were told that the jewish were the problem. At the moment as much as i hate to generalise working class northerners are being told that the immigrants are the problem that there taking jobs. Yes they are a threat they are starting the same way. BUT it will take a lot of england voting for a serious threat

Furthermore, before any economic downturn, we already had many people on doll in this country that could work but choose not too. The tabloids publicise this inherent failure in our system, but the government chooses not to act.

Instead immigration has filled the gap of skills shortages in this country and jobs that many people think are beneath them.

The BNP has jumped on this and in some respects twisted the story, but we don’t need them to sort it out, we just need a government that will address the issues instead of side stepping them. Immigration is good, but skills shortages should have been addressed with the current populace first? Surely?

 

[John C]

what can you say.i cant see where the big problem is,they are a party like any other.unless you read the sun then they are evil natzis load of twonk.strange how they only evil when it gets to voting time.come on people read between the lines.i will say i didnt vote as i look at it this way if im going to be shafted better it be a suprise.as for migrant workers and illegal imigrants well they have screwed the country up.the more of them that come here the house prices went up till they hit the point of collapsing banks and making housing here un affordable.i hear you say (racist)but im not im a realist.just look at crime wow its through the roof.and trust me have you ever vistited anyone in prison its full(of migrants) yes those hard working ones.so as you have all said you wouldnt vote for them think again why not they are the only party with any backbone,and they stand up for the rights earned by our grandparents that were paid in blood.so dont slag them of read up before you slag them of(but dont read the papers).as i mentioned before i dont vote but if there was a you must vote they would get mine.we have been shafted by all the others so the bnp cant do any worse(least i have the balls to say it).people are just frightend of what they do not know....

All I can conclude is that you dont have much direct experience working alongside immigrants.
I do, and I have the opposite opinion to you.


Two things in your post that strike me as ironic.
#1 You are the one who seems to be frightened of what you dont know.

#2 Maybe your Grandfather fought for the right to persecute and discriminate. If he was German and fought for the Nazis, thats fine by me, we are not responsible for the actions of our relatives.

My grandfather on the other hand fought for the Allies. Which is absolutely notthing at all to do with what the BNP stand for.