True, and I not painting you as the anti anything. I did also cough up it was an assumption on the breaking paint issue! Looking like you've contracted a particularly nasty case of Ebola would only be good for a few sickies from work.
New size paintballs?
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I'm with Manike on this one, there seem to be a lot of difficult obstacles to overcome. As I aluded to in my first post, the deceleration of the ball will be significantly increased due to the drop in mass, so even if the velocity is increased they'll be going a lot slower by the time they hit someone -> more bounces (added to the smaller sphere's increased strength as well). The only way to get around that is to have a denser fill, which will add to the pain factor even more than the increase in velocity and smaller impact area.
Decreased mass means wind will play havoc with the accuracy as well (much worse than it already does). Unless they make the shells way thinner and more fragile (and even then), I don't see how they're going to make a good quality paintball. Really I would like to see some data to make a decision on whether I'm looking forwards to or dreading this. I'm all for change in the right direction, even if it means new markers etc, but I find it hard to see how they'll get around these problems.
Decreased mass means wind will play havoc with the accuracy as well (much worse than it already does). Unless they make the shells way thinner and more fragile (and even then), I don't see how they're going to make a good quality paintball. Really I would like to see some data to make a decision on whether I'm looking forwards to or dreading this. I'm all for change in the right direction, even if it means new markers etc, but I find it hard to see how they'll get around these problems.
I talked to Manike and we discussed the mathematics and physics of this problem and we both agreed that the only way traditional physics can be satisfied is by increasing the mass of the paintball ....which ain't too difficult by the way because it just means they put in a heavier fill.
I have known Richmond for a long time and if he tells me X is greater than Y, then I believe him .... and the basis of that belief is, he's never lied to me.
That being the case, I know Richmond has arranged and conducted comparative tests on this new small bore paint and if he tells me it is more accurate than 68 cal, then guess what?
It's gonna be more accurate.
He has told me, unequivocally, it is more accurate than conventional .68 calibre paint.
There is no way this man is gonna stick his neck out there for someone to come along and chop it off if he's bullsh!tting ... and there would be a queue a mile long to do just that if he were.
I think people can quote what they want to, the acid test comes when people use it and like most things in life, it is the practicalities that sort the men from the boys and if this paint performs, then this paint will sell ..... it's as easy as that guys.
I have known Richmond for a long time and if he tells me X is greater than Y, then I believe him .... and the basis of that belief is, he's never lied to me.
That being the case, I know Richmond has arranged and conducted comparative tests on this new small bore paint and if he tells me it is more accurate than 68 cal, then guess what?
It's gonna be more accurate.
He has told me, unequivocally, it is more accurate than conventional .68 calibre paint.
There is no way this man is gonna stick his neck out there for someone to come along and chop it off if he's bullsh!tting ... and there would be a queue a mile long to do just that if he were.
I think people can quote what they want to, the acid test comes when people use it and like most things in life, it is the practicalities that sort the men from the boys and if this paint performs, then this paint will sell ..... it's as easy as that guys.
Which is fantastic news for the guys (like me) that love to run classic markers
Call me old fasioned but it's what I learned my game on, and I'm not about to abandon good markers I still enjoy shooting I know many that own collections of superb pumps & early semi's. I'm sure they'll be gutted to find they can't buy 68 cal paint for them in a few years time. Converting them to run at 50 cal would be a nightmare, and sure to cost a fortune. With the recent reductions in ROF to 10bps, many early semis can easily cope with tournament level play. X-ball still seems to dictate paintball fashion, despite many rec-ball players not wanting, or even being able to afford the latest tournament spec kit.
I also fail to understand the argument for 50 cal, on the grounds it allows you to carry more paint in your hopper or pots. The recent drops in max ROF at X-ball indicate attempts to reduce paint usage per game. Any move to increase potential paint carrying capacity would appear contradict this trend. Also if 50 cal is supposed to be so accurate, why would you need to shoot more of it per game.. unless it's to make up for all the bounces you get?
The drops in ROF only apply to tournament play. There's plenty of rec play where you can go all out with your ROF and since rec is a so much bigger market than tournament, it's a huge bonus for those players.I also fail to understand the argument for 50 cal, on the grounds it allows you to carry more paint in your hopper or pots. The recent drops in max ROF at X-ball indicate attempts to reduce paint usage per game. Any move to increase potential paint carrying capacity would appear contradict this trend. Also if 50 cal is supposed to be so accurate, why would you need to shoot more of it per game.. unless it's to make up for all the bounces you get?
People seem very quick to forget that Rec is where the VAST majority of paintball revenue comes from and so this will be where the future of paintball lies. I don't know the percentage but i would hazard a guess that it is very high as in 80% +
The point of this change is to make it easier and cheaper for people to take up paintball ie making the transition from punter to player, then the tourney side can concentrate on converting them from rec player to tourney player.
IF this is going to make paintball cheaper, how can it be a bad thing? It is typical where people will react with uninformed pessimism, let us wait and see all the facts, and the product before judging based on assumption and current standards.
Remember folks, technology develops all the time, I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see a different composition of paintball this time round.
Word.
I remember people laughing at the notion of a computer in every home and a telephone in everybody's pocket.
God, I'm old...
I remember people laughing at the notion of a computer in every home and a telephone in everybody's pocket.
God, I'm old...
Tournament paintball is already dieing and if this goes ahead players will have to buy new everything and they just cant afford that, unless they come up with some cheap way to make .50 balls work with the current markers.
Yes it will be cheaper in the long run but its the money needed to be spent by players to get the correct set up and there will be a massive decline in participation until a few years when people can afford to get the gear and get back into paintball.
So i think there will a plummet when this happens but should pick up about two years after.
Yes it will be cheaper in the long run but its the money needed to be spent by players to get the correct set up and there will be a massive decline in participation until a few years when people can afford to get the gear and get back into paintball.
So i think there will a plummet when this happens but should pick up about two years after.
I disagree. It's not like one day you're going to turn up and someone'll say "hey, you can't shoot your huge balls all over me, you need these!" (yes, that was intentional). It'll be a gradual change. People who can, will, and the rest will switch when they can (if they're actually any good).
I just want more information, and my pessimism is not a knee-jerk reaction, but simply a reaction to the general knowledge I have about the physics concerning paintballs. If there's a solution to the problems that have been highlighted, then I'm all for it and will be the first to jump off the .68 ship. I just don't want to get pelted with bouncy, dense-fill rubber bullets because someone says it's progress.
Increased capacity is no bad thing, if I can carry more paint in the same size pods/loader I'm psyched. Woodsball types will be happy too.
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