UK Terrorism

[ReservoirFrog]

My initial post was to show that almost anything could be classified as useful to terrorists.

Combined with a dig at the use of torture by our allies and, possibly, us.

But that's another thread altogether.

However, I'd bet a b**lock that the reason for the raid was more to do with an established intent, rather than the material found.
I don't want to sound like a know it all, but I've some experience in the background that goes into these kind of things.
That paper that CT guy was carrying into the PM wasn't 'here's a list of people who own fireworks and airsoft guns' It will have been painstaking int gathering ops. Surveillance by Special Branch and/or MI5, tech surveillance by GCHQ, agent handling and so on.
It's too easy to claim heavy handedness and profiling etc because it's trendy to distrust the establishment. But there are so many eyes on the security services right now that any arrest op will have been well justified.
The same people that say these things are the same that say 'why isn't more being done?' When a bus goes bang.

 

[niallist]

I have no problem at all with the security services apprehending terrorists and if todays operation got some then it's good news all round. I certainly don't know enough about todays op to form an opinion either way.

i do have a problem with the security services misusing the AT laws to harass legitimate protestors and activists.

 

[ReservoirFrog]

I have no problem at all with the security services apprehending terrorists and if todays operation got some then it's good news all round. I certainly don't know enough about todays op to form an opinion either way.

i do have a problem with the security services misusing the AT laws to harass legitimate protestors and activists.

To what end would they do that? Unless someone is posing a genuine threat to the country it's counter-productive to harass anyone.

 

[niallist]

You are absolutely correct, it is counter productive. But that doesn't seem to make a difference.

Latest examples being the Climate Camp at Kingsnorth or indeed any photographer, see S76 Counter-Terrorism Act 2008.

sorry got to go now, early start tomorrow.

 

[ReservoirFrog]

You are absolutely correct, it is counter productive. But that doesn't seem to make a difference.

Latest examples being the Climate Camp at Kingsnorth or indeed any photographer, see S76 Counter-Terrorism Act 2008.

I will read that, but it's 20 past midnight here so that's for another day. But I have to ask what activist really means, because if it is physically disrupting someone or something, like those at greenham common for example, then I agree with it. As that is using aggressive tactics to further a political aim.

 

[Cusack]

You give me some some fireworks and I can adapt them into something very deadly and with a couple of airsoft guns I'll give you a nice stampede of happy shoppers towards it.
The library book...I'd probably use as a door stop

While things are still happening fairly infrequently, I reckon a lot of people will fall into the 'It'll never happen to me' way of thinking. Which is fair enough because statistically it probably won't. But that won't be much comfort if it does and trust me, then you'll be scared.
I say go about your life as normal but be vigilant. You'd be surprised how much intelligence is just randomly phoned in that saves lives.

"You give me some some fireworks and I can adapt them into something very deadly"?

The state is not here to wrap us in cotton wool. Owning a replica gun, a firework and a BOOK should not mean you are arrested, whether you had thought about using it or not.


"To what end would they do that"

......Have you read 1984?

 

[ReservoirFrog]

"You give me some some fireworks and I can adapt them into something very deadly"?

The state is not here to wrap us in cotton wool. Owning a replica gun, a firework and a BOOK should not mean you are arrested, whether you had thought about using it or not.


"To what end would they do that"

......Have you read 1984?

Thought about using it? We are talking about stopping people from carrying out their intentions of maiming and killing civilians before they have a chance. Personally I don't feel that is wrapping anyone in cotton wool.

Have I read 1984? Yes, it's a novel, try to remember that and I can guarantee you enjoy more freedom now than when it was written, not less.
In the real world, security services in the UK are so closely scrutinised every time they invoke anti-terror legislation that abuse just doesn't make sense. Mistakes are bound to happen, people and systems are fallible but on the whole, if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear.

Are these the kind of 'legitimate protesters' that may be unfairly treated?
If so, I'm well up for that!

 

[Ali]

thats disturbin, especially the last pic

 

[dicksin200]

what can you say

We bring them out of the dark age.Teach them how to live and become a real country and all they want to do is follow laws from a book written by who knows.There should be no give with these people all suspected and there families no matter how close should be deported back to the place where they can continue with there stupid religon.They are a self distruct nation and destroy all that they come in contact with.scum

 

[Cusack]

Of course I don't agree with the subject of that protest, but I damn well stand for their right to protest. I'm not sure if you realise the implications of nothing to hide = nothing to fear. If you can't protest, you can't disagree.

Remember how power corrupts? Remember how hitler seized power 'lawfully', by using the laws he put in place, and preventing any protest?

If the state knows everything about you, how can you disagree with them without having absolute trust and blind faith that the information wont be used against you?
try www.statebook.co.uk/, see how you feel.


"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
-Benjamin Franklin