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Robbo

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. Science and religion do not opose each other (exept for the extremists), but rather go hand in hand.
I'm no extremist, I'm just a guy with a brain who elects to use it and the notion that religion and science do not oppose each other is a lie, an absolute, outright lie.

This sort of lie is put around by people who either cannot understand the reasoning behind scientific explanation, or their emotional weakness is so strong, that it outweighs their rational thinking.

The rest of your post, I will deal with another time as I need my ugly sleep, it seems my good looks upset people, makes them jealous and so I have decided to downscale and go get some ugly sleep to try and redress the balance.....problem is, I just looked in the mirror and it's gonna have to be one helluva long sleep to redress that big ass balance........by the way, thanks God for dishing those looks out, I appreciate it mate!
 

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So essentually, you are saying that in your mind you cannot justify the existance of a supernatural being that has created the universe, however at the same time you realise that nothing can be created from nothing...
That seems to be a common argument from Christians, because it is the only question science can't answer. Yet...
 

Robbo

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So essentually, you are saying that in your mind you cannot justify the existance of a supernatural being that has created the universe, however at the same time you realise that nothing can be created from nothing...

Do you think that this nagging, yet not being able to beleive, is the human mind and logic creating a 'barrier' that prevents you from perceiving anything from outside our universe and the consequences thereof?

Much like he theory that one can only perceive a situation within his own dimension, we can only consider things in our reality, rather than thinking outside our own reality.

(asking out of interest rather than to preach and say your wrong. Im all up for debate and all, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion)

I'll address this tomorrow but I will say one thing before I go buh byes, they say a 'little knowledge is a bad thing' ..and in some cases, that can be true, but I will *******ize if for you (no disrespect intended here mate) 'a little understanding is even worse' ..... night !
 

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The catholic church has recently discounted purgatory as a belief, claiming that it was oudated theology.
Im no catholic, rather 'of the christian faith' Its the faith that i have developed from what i have read and researched myself directly from the bible, and from my understanding of God.
i cant see how a straight heaven/ hell choice can exist when there are those who wouldnt even have the chance of knowing God, would go to hell without some form of judgement

At this point, I may point out that My dad is the pastor of my home church, and near enough everything i beleive in, he has the opposite opinion. He is a near creationist, and doesnt beleive in the big bang, or purgatory

At the end of the day, it is up to God to judge us, not ourselves based on how we perceive God, this 'period of inbetween worlds' is my idea of purgatory.
 

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the way i see it i was christened(sp?) and that makes me christian. i'd say im an atheist though. perhaps im wrong but its never bothered me so i wont let me bother me now either :)
 

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At the end of the day, it is up to God to judge us, not ourselves based on how we perceive God, this 'period of inbetween worlds' is my idea of purgatory.

One point I brought up in school when this subject came up.


How can "God" or whatever or whoever judges us when we die have the right to decide if we are evil or good if we don't believe in him and "his" teachings.

If such a creature existed, why is it he allows us to run our lifes without coming down on a Cloud (sorry for the stereotyping) and saying "heres your list of things you can and cant do if you want to get into heaven" then when we die choose to send us to heaven or hell?

Just because he "created us" doesn't give him the right to make that choice, as such it would be double standards of him to post the "free will" arguement up.

If i had a child with someone (dont say anything, any of you ;)) and didnt tell them what was right and what was wrong, and then left them to their life, would it be within my rights after say 50 years to say "youve been living your life wrong" if I gave no initial guidelines?


The 10 commandments stuff, given to moses I believe? Where are they? Why did he not come down himself and tell us them? Why only that one person? How do we not know moses was smoking something potent at the time and made it all up! You think an update would be in order after a few thousand years :)


I mean all this at the end goes back to my original belief, that unless he came and showed me he existed I cannot believe in such a thing.
 

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Ok, Ive studied philosophy and ethics from GCSE level through to A level, just so you know where most of my thrology comes from. The rest is me and my understanding of how God works, and form other sources that have 'enlightened' me and spoken to me.

How can "God" or whatever or whoever judges us when we die have the right to decide if we are evil or good if we don't believe in him and "his" teachings.
Essentially this falls under fire quite a lot, and the way i see it is that it is not something we can contest, purly disliking something, and therefore choosing not to beleive in it based upon this, doesnt make it any less real.

put it this way...

I dont agree with the way that Gorden Brown has run this country and the taxes he has imposed. Now, with that in mind, me choosing not to like his parameters, doesnt make any difference to his existence at all. its something that IS, and cannot be a basis for disbeleif purly because we dont like it.

Just because he "created us" doesn't give him the right to make that choice, as such it would be double standards of him to post the "free will" arguement up.
without free will, true life cannot exist and instead we would purly be robots doing the whim of God, which wasnt the point of us being created. That or we would be slaves to the whim of our instincts, like the rest of the animals on this planet.

Judging us by our actions is by judging our life and the circumstances.
God is outside of time and space. He is all knowing, all seeing, and all present. basicly, each one of us is judged situationally, rather than, as the english courts do, judge everyone by one established set of rules.

If i had a child with someone (dont say anything, any of you ;)) and didnt tell them what was right and what was wrong, and then left them to their life, would it be within my rights after say 50 years to say "youve been living your life wrong" if I gave no initial guidelines?
Basicly, this throws the question of an inate conscience, and gut feeling. We all have a sense of right or wrong, from a very early age, and within a year of two of birth know if our actions are 'right or wrong'. This God -given (IMO) conscience, I beleive is a spiritual guideline of which we should follow, its that tugging of the mind when you feel guilty or know that you shouldnt be doing what you are doing. The conscience is situational.


The 10 commandments stuff, given to moses I believe? Where are they? Why did he not come down himself and tell us them? Why only that one person? How do we not know moses was smoking something potent at the time and made it all up! You think an update would be in order after a few thousand years :)
The ten comandments were written on two stone tablets to be given to the hebrews whilst tehy were in the desert. (i wont go into the full details).
These became religious relics and were brought into many wars in the name of religion (again bringing the name of God to justify a situation) and were kept in temples that have now been destroyed.
In all seriousness, i cant answer where they are anow, however They have either corroded away, or have been detroyed/ hidden.

Again, i could give a lecture purly on the ten comandments, but i wont...
they are a guide on how to live your life rightiously, not set of rules that if you break, you will go to hell.
I have broken many of them myself.

I mean all this at the end goes back to my original belief, that unless he came and showed me he existed I cannot believe in such a thing.
The quandary that remains is that IF God revealed himself to us now we would have no choice but to beleive in his existence, and it would not be faith, rather knowledge. The dificulty is that if God interveined day in, day out, we would not learn to fend for ourselves or learn fromour mistakes, why would we need to? God would sort it out.
If God does nothing, then we will screw ourselves up big time.
Consider a parent who loves his children. Sometimes you have to let them make their mistakes in order to grow and develope, however they do need guidance along the way.