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11th of november

Robeenio

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Staying warm on a sunday!
my great grandad had the pleasure of being a messenger in the first world war.
possibly one of the worst jobs around getting messages from trench to trench!

alas his luck ran out one day and took a shell hit to his motor bike. was stuck in a crater for 2 days as it filled with water.
thankfully he was found alive but died of shock and hypothermia some days after.

bravery like that and all the soldiers who have fought for our Freedom in WW1 & 2 cannot be measured the very freedom that has now sometimes i feel been taken for granted.
 
I remember there being a big fuss made about remembrence day and having an assembly about it every year at 11 on the 11th of november in primary school, but not so much after that.
I've been told my grans brother was killed 2 days before the end of the war when his boat was sunk, he was pretty young when it happened :(
 

x.liivvy.x

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What do you get taught in history in schools now????
I took GCSE history and, like Kat, studied American Indians and the History of medicine. I agree that although many of todays youngsters (including myself!) may know of the 11th of November and a little background knowledge- if they were well educated- that is where it ends.
Reading the posts by everyone shows how much I didn't know! And it's shameful. Although, point said, I do have a lot of respect for Remebrance and my thoughts shall be with them :)
 

Lucky

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If he tells you that again, punch him in the kidneys (or maybe not). That's crap.

The Germans had fully motorised divisions. Particularly the "Big Three"

However, many of the infantry divisions (which formed the majority of the German military might) did get the short end of the stick. Many were only partionally motorised, and some not at all. They were however horsedrawn...
The only units to deploy any handdrawn stuff on a large scale were the Fallschirmjägers (paratroops), as horses tend to shy away from jumping out of aircraft.:rolleyes:;)
First thing to point out is that i personally know nothing at all about this, so i'm not arguing just relaying what i'd been told.
Now the guy i've been talking to has a collection of something like 60 vehicles, and has just signed them over to the government under trust and has set himself up as a charity called the ZdKfz foundation
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And he owns Rommel's staff car too

Now what Mike did tell me was that the "big three" as you put it, were fully motorised and highly trained which is why they were so feared and attacked with devestating effect, but the rest of the German army were horse drawn or manually motivated, and he has both horse drawn and hand carts in his collection. Apparently they simply did not have the resources to equip their units as there progress through europe was simply too fast.
Now i don't know the true facts but i'm not going to punch Mike in the kidneys over this as the guy speaks fluent german and is currently interviewing as many german veterans as he can track down. This may seem an unusual thing to be doing but there is a reason, simply that no-one else is?
Quite a few of his vehicles were SS etc, and by tracing thru their meticulous service records he has managed to track down some members of these vehicles crew and has reunited them with their vehicles for the first time in 60+ years. Now the problem is that rather than being seen as hero's as our veterans are, he has found most german veterans to be nervous and almost in hiding and almost dismissing their past actions. They are simply not proud of their actions no matter how great there Heroism was for their country. Once Mike has explained what he is doing and has managed to talk them round to an interview he has been witness to the first time that these brave soldiers have talked about their lives during the conflict. (you have to remember that not all german soldiers were goose-stepping nazi's).
Mike is video recording these interviews and they will be transcribed when they are finally put on the foundations website, but he is in a race against time as this information that they have is quite simply dying. now i'm not condoning any actions of war from any side but Mike is a truly fascinating guy to talk to if ever you can stop him for an hour or two.
It's stuff like this that should be being taught in schools to maybe give our children a wider perspective of war and modern history, which is all part of Mikes aim as he will be opening his collection up for educational visits.

I personally am compiling my family history, but i now kick myself that i did not talk more with my parents and grandparents, and when my mum died last xmas a big part of my family and social history died with her.
Now that she is gone i'm going through our family stuff, with things like my grandfathers service records, ration cards, pay book, leave requests and all the kinds of stuff that i wish i'd heard about from his own words.

So simply put, if you have a war veteran in your family or even someone who just survived the war at home, then go and talk to them and rejoice in their tales, but make sure that their legend lives on with your children and their kin
Colin
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Now the problem is that rather than being seen as hero's as our veterans are, he has found most german veterans to be nervous and almost in hiding and almost dismissing their past actions. They are simply not proud of their actions no matter how great there Heroism was for their country. Once Mike has explained what he is doing and has managed to talk them round to an interview he has been witness to the first time that these brave soldiers have talked about their lives during the conflict. (you have to remember that not all german soldiers were goose-stepping nazi's). :
Hmmmmm........I am having a real problem digesting this part of the post ......
 

Lucky

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Hmmmmm........I am having a real problem digesting this part of the post ......
I fully understand Pete and that is the general reaction, but remember not all german soldiers volunteered for the good of the motherland. They had conscription just like we did or they were simply scared into service by the power of nazism. I'm not saying this was always the case but it played a big part. The thing is tho that once on the battlefield they had one thing in common with our guys in that they simply had to rely on each other, they kept each other alive fighting the enemy that they knew as bad. remember there was no live sky coverage of this war, they were fuelled by Nazi propaganda.

Just because these guys were on the wrong team, should we erase them and the recollections from our social history?:confused:

Oh hang on i think that was tried once before.....1939 i believe:eek:

It does make sense when you think about the project as a whole concept:)
 

chuckwood

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Any former SS member will naturally be fearful as many of their units were directly responsible for the appalling atrocities [Genocide] in World War 2.

Many volumes have been written regarding whys and hows of the Nazi rise to power and in our generations we find it hard to accept how. What we forget that is Time magazine voted Hitler 'Man of the Year' in 1936 due to the way he had transformed Germany into an economic powerhouse.
The great depression hit many countries hard and Germany had a history of having strong authoritarian rulers. The Weimar republic was progressive but was seen by many as a puppet for the victorious allies and very unpopular.
Thus both the Communists and Nazis benefited and did not play by the rules to achieve domination. People wanted to be lead and eat and work. This is what was promised by the Nazis and they used this to gain power.They then used the very mantle of democracy to vote absolute power and do away with free votes!

The two main aggressors in World War 2 now have completely changed their physche and outlook to their credit. Japan is totally pacifist, although their are still lingering issues admitting guilt-they treated many Asian peoples badly and of course Allied soldiers & POWS.
Germany has also faced its past and changed its views to become a better country and accept blame for its actions.