Millennium Moan-Fest

[Robbo]

No, it's good to stir things up but I'm struggling to understand what you mean here.
You seem to be suggesting you don't really like the idea of players deciding their own fate on the basis :

a) They don't really know what they want or

b) They have been force-fed ideologies

I don't think either case is true, I think players have made it quite plain as to exactly what they want or don't want in this thread, and they have every right to.
I also think they have made some really good points that tends to suggest they aren't brain-washed and can think for themselves.

I honestly think instead of just stating an opinion (which of course, anybody can do) you gotta start fleshing things out here a little to back up things up mate.

I don't mind anybody stirring things up, I like it when people do that but you gotta give it some substance mate.

 

[karseras69]

I see where you'r coming from and many of my opinions about international paintball are based off you'r own through PGI etc. I think that players NEED to find a way to communicate not only with themselves/organizers better. I believe that way too many paintballers dont trully know what they want im pretty sure you can see what i mean by this. They seen to demand structure and organisation for example yet when certain criteria is not met by teams they demand liniance (sp) from said organizers. Its more like they believe that a standard should not be set and that rules should be bent to meet the situation, this, in my opinion is not good for the sport.

Can it not also be said, that in some instances ofcourse, people jsut jump on a millennium hate band wagon ? maybe i am wrong and have not been in it long enough or done enough research......

 

[MissyQ]

Its not the 'death of the MS', just 'restructuring'
Independant events mean independant accountability. Its also an opportunity for the UK ballers to get back oin top of the Euro-heap, by hostingt the premium 'must go' event of the season. The MS guys will still be around, just focused on their own event. They have already done this before, so its nop great shakes. It woudl cut the staff and logistical costs, and allow independent events to up the prizes for thier events if they wish. Put on an event for a $50,000 prize-pool in the UK and you will see the yanks come over.
Put a great Euro-trade-show on the same weekend and you have the makings of the European Cup Event. The sky is the limit, so long as the individual events are allowed to shine. While they all adhere to one standard there is no motivating incentive for an investor to focus on his home market to make one event better than any other.

 

[Robbo]

I see where you'r coming from and many of my opinions about international paintball are based off you'r own through PGI etc. I think that players NEED to find a way to communicate not only with themselves/organizers better. I believe that way too many paintballers dont trully know what they want im pretty sure you can see what i mean by this. They seen to demand structure and organisation for example yet when certain criteria is not met by teams they demand liniance (sp) from said organizers. Its more like they believe that a standard should not be set and that rules should be bent to meet the situation, this, in my opinion is not good for the sport.

Can it not also be said, that in some instances ofcourse, people jsut jump on a millennium hate band wagon ? maybe i am wrong and have not been in it long enough or done enough research......

I think there are most certainly instances of hate-sayers but they tend to be ignorant people writing unsubstantiated posts and this thread isn't like that.

I think the problem you seem to be encountering is one of waving too wide a brush and you end up covering areas that aren't really appropriate.

I also think we have every right to demand structure and organization but I also take your point about moaning but from what i can see, the players are looking for consistency, fairness and commonsense, that's all mate.

And you are spot on the money about players needing to find better ways to communicate with the Millennium guys but ...ya see, now that's the problem because communication implies two way talks and I'm afraid that jus don't happen.
With uldick von klinkerhoffen in desperate need of a charisma bypass and 101 course in manners, it's not hard to understand why there's not been that much of a sympathetic ear from the Millennium organization with him as their communications interface.
Eventually karseras, we will end up with a better, improved event series, it won't be perfect but then again, nothing ever is ...well, except for one thing but since I haven't got a mirror handy, I couldn't possibly comment.

 

[karseras69]

no worries bro, if u are like i remember u in cyprus then do not worry, u are still perfect robbo haha

 

[Seany]

Robbo,

As much as i shared the same opinion of karseras69 when you and Missy forst started the idea of no series points, but you hae swayed me into thinking you are actually right...

What would actually be interesting to see is how much backing you can get, and if this 'Euro Series' could actually work over the Millenium Series, and also if you could get the backing or bring the MS around into your way of thinking?

 

[Bngi]

Imo, the first thing the mill should do is to take a look back in history and try to analyze and figure out why people used to love going. Critical hindsight is not their strong point i suppose.

 

[Robbo]

Seany, i think one of the problems I will always encounter in matters such as this, is me ........some people tend to react not to the substance of anything I write but to me as a person, especially when I am in effect, criticising something they are doing.

And so, whilst I may have an answer they could use for their own benefit (and to the benefit of others) they would tend to not listen or just flat out reject anything I say.
I honestly think it's the average Joe player who then wields the most powerful voice but it cannot be a lone one, there has to be numbers involved otherwise any cries for reform can be written off as the rantings of a lunatic.

I will do my best to influence what I can but I can't make them listen let alone make them do anything.

 

[Robbo]

no worries bro, if u are like i remember u in cyprus then do not worry, u are still perfect robbo haha

You were in Cyprus???
You mean when I was on holiday there and came to the site?

 

[BOOGIE]

Pete you are never a raving lunatic