Innovation is dead.

[Exile]

The idea of paintball is to distance ourselves from the real world of gun's, thats why we don't call markers 'guns' and paintballs 'bullets or pellets'.

You might, I and plenty of other 'ballers call them gats, guns or shooters and paint is most definitely bullets.

I'd like to see more innovation in paint tech; top "bullet" brands like Hellfire/Evil already perform about as well as can be expected for an organic product, usually the weather is the worst enemy - the instant we get a cold/hot spell most paint stops performing as well unless it has been kept in temperature-controlled containers and players rotate pots etc.

Hell, even simple things like foil bags for the paint (to keep the temperature more constant) would make a serious difference to the average player and I don't understand why they haven't been adopted years ago?

Something along the lines of a corn-starch (or other bio-degradable) plastic shell that is far more impervious to temperature differences would also improve consistency and roundness too and the technology used could be easily transferred if Bon's idea of shaping our rounds takes off.

There again, paint innovation isn't as sexy as a new anno job, so that's probably my answer right there.

 

[Echowitch]

having limited "magazines" making accuracy and skilled shots what count.

Tiberius Arms T9 markers feature magazines with a limited capacity and caplet for the gas.

http://tiberiusarms.com/t9_elite_st.html

 

[HPUKer]

At the moment, everything we have seems to be designed around a .68 paintball

Working around the constraints that come with a .68 cal round gelatin ball gives us the gear we have today

Re-invent the ball, re-invent the gear - but is there really a need for that?

 

[Tricky Dicky]

like any sport you dont ALWAYS need a new innovation or crazy upgrade...

the way i see it is just go out and play, enjoy the time, the event and the adrenaline you get from it

 

[hyperlite]

Well the only thing left to mess with is the player.........

Drugs........EPO a good scandal like cycling has from time to time....well ok all the time.

I think we should be testing the Pros if all the guns errr markers are the same that must be why they are the cut above !

Form a line sample in the bottle please............

Or maybe just maybe get out there and play and not worry about it, to hell with the credit crunch thats what I say !

 

[Jonny 03]

I personally believe the way for the game to move forward is to move away from the BALL side of things and move to bullet shaped "ammunition" instead.

Markers can be re-designed, new ways of feeding can be implemented, new designs in paint (why have all the paint all over like in a paintball, why not just have it in the tip of the "bullet") and so on.

Yes it may make the whole thing more contestable about being rambo wannabes and such, but the point is there that unless something as simple, yet ground breaking as changing the shape of our ammunition comes in that it will sit there and stagnate.

Games would become more skillfull, no longer who can carry the most pots and throw the most paint down the field, but having limited "magazines" making accuracy and skilled shots what count.

In my experience there is about as much skill to running around in the woods as there is bouncing on the spot in a dance off...

Come onnnn... lets get real for a second here. We all know the money has always been with the recreational side of the industry but what you’re saying is ridiculous. Bullet shaped paint? Really? I was reading that and thinking it was sarcastic at first then I realised its serious. That’s like reinventing the wheel for goodness sake. Plus structurally it would most probably break more than your standard ball as is, paintballs are the shape they are for a very good reason...

In my opinion what the game needs is a shake up in organisation. I've said this for years now and it has contributed significantly to why I haven’t stepped on a field for as long as I have. Innovation isn’t dead. Seriously guys it isn’t. Right now paintballers are all just goldfish in a murky tank, suffocating in their own ****. If you clean the tank out, all of a sudden you'll see a bit of life in the goldfish once more.

There are some fantastic people trying all they can to cleanup our sport but I personally feel it will never be enough unless we see a solid, stable and unbreakable governing system and league system that cannot be competed against. Until then there is no way paintball can, and ever will be taken seriously. As soon as there is a need for something new, you'll see a whole lot of innovative people putting pen to paper and coming up with the goods.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

also bullet paint shaped? no that wouldnot work.

bullets are built that way for certain reasons, puncture of the wound, powder casing in the shot, distance of the shot etc from the style of bullet and size.

also bullets arent really aerodynamic as such are they? they would just be as un accurate as a paintball could be, first of all bullets are spun whilst they come out of the gun and through the barrel to give it increased accuracy, paintball barrels arnt going to be made like this, they would most likely burst the ball due to the curves in the barrel and the fragile ball. please tell me your main idea was not making a paintball more accurate?

it would also depend on the marker, for example an AK-47 is not as accurate as an M-16, yes they use different sized bullets, but its too show that its the gun itself overall that effects the overall shot mostly.

yes a longer bullet compared to a stubier bullet will have more range and better accuracy although it wont work in a paintball gun, as ive said bullets are spun whilst they leave the gun and their is also other mechanisms which allow the bullet to get its accuracy and distance from the gun itself not just the bullet, it wouldnt work would it?

also why would we need the shapoe of a bullet? theirs no powder in the shot, theirs no need for a puncture, its really not possible, ok it would look good, but i just dont see that it could work.

yes you could say that we could represent this to the musket ball and the change to standard bullets of today, but they arnt paintballs, and paintballs arnt bullets

 

[Adamantium]

Smaller paintballs.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

One such smaller paitball would be a bb paintball. But why would we go smaller? Is their much need? It would produce a smaller splat although maybe we need our size of paintball to create a visible splat to ensure their is no cheating etc. Problems like that could arise

 

[Buddha 3]

also bullet paint shaped? no that wouldnot work.

bullets are built that way for certain reasons, puncture of the wound, powder casing in the shot, distance of the shot etc from the style of bullet and size.

also bullets arent really aerodynamic as such are they? they would just be as un accurate as a paintball could be, first of all bullets are spun whilst they come out of the gun and through the barrel to give it increased accuracy, paintball barrels arnt going to be made like this, they would most likely burst the ball due to the curves in the barrel and the fragile ball. please tell me your main idea was not making a paintball more accurate?

it would also depend on the marker, for example an AK-47 is not as accurate as an M-16, yes they use different sized bullets, but its too show that its the gun itself overall that effects the overall shot mostly.

yes a longer bullet compared to a stubier bullet will have more range and better accuracy although it wont work in a paintball gun, as ive said bullets are spun whilst they leave the gun and their is also other mechanisms which allow the bullet to get its accuracy and distance from the gun itself not just the bullet, it wouldnt work would it?

also why would we need the shapoe of a bullet? theirs no powder in the shot, theirs no need for a puncture, its really not possible, ok it would look good, but i just dont see that it could work.

yes you could say that we could represent this to the musket ball and the change to standard bullets of today, but they arnt paintballs, and paintballs arnt bullets

Okay, make sure you keep your feet on the ground before you read this, because otherwise one of them may well end up firmly in your mouth...

First things first. Bullets not earodynamic? Are you joking? That statement is so obviously wrong, I won't even go into it anyfurther.

Yes, SOME bullets spin when they leave the barrel. Not all guns have barrel rifling.
And you say it's not possible with a paintball? That it would break the shell?
You couldn't be more wrong. It's been done already. Armson (don't think they still exist) sold a whole series of rifled paintball barrels which did just that and they were f*cking awesome!

The only real reason why one gun shoots further than another, is muzzle velocity. As this is pretty much a constant in paintball, there will be no gun shooting further than others, despite what many Autococker owners used to think.

And as far as paintballs being fired from cartridges, yawn, already been done without a problem.

So pretty much all reasons you give in order to debunk Bon's post as being impossible, are not only possible, but have already been done with succes.

Now I'm not saying Bon's is or isn't the way forward, but at least come up with the right arguments.