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topchef

'Hotgun Al'
Feb 22, 2006
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The grillz are the easiest lenses to get at and change period and you will find that you dont need an antifog lense on them as the foam creates a good "sealent from out side air so it does not cause foggging. The JT are sometimes awkward to get at the goggles but do offer an antifog lense. Grillz FTW!

-MJ
I have owned/own several types of both of these goggs (amongst many others) and I would suggest you try as many different types as possible on before you actually buy. Failing that, as a starter mask but also with a fully customizable and pro option I would definatley recomend the JT spectra series.
The reasons behind this are simple. They are sensibly priced second hand (quite cheap infact if you shop around), they are completley customizable so you can swop out bits as you wanna change. (getting used to swopping lenses can take a few extra minutes but its nothing major really, I mean...how often are ya gonna actually need to change em) and they are reliable.

Check out the 'pimp goggs' thread......count how many JTs are on there, theres a reason for it and thats that they are a good solid all round mask;)


Just my opinion......

-ChEf

P.S (my team goggs are grillz and they are also cool, but JTs are better IMO)
 

Rider

scottishwarriors.co.uk
have a look at either the Smart Parts SP1 (around £100 new) as a cheaper electronic marker with military styling.

or its big brother the SP8.

beware tho as electro markers many sites will restrict you to using them at walkon days rather than regular punter days - but by getting your own kit you'll wnat to progress beyond "punter hunting".
 

MJ

IM AGG...my mom says
Oct 24, 2007
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Try reading previous posts ;) And trust me, i've used V-force lense cleaner, ever since i left paint on the inside of my grillz lense for a half hour and it ruined the coating. Enough fan boy rants please? People here are trying to offer genuine advice after sampling the various products over several years.
It read different and Fan boy rants. i wasnt bad mouthing JT's i like them in fact and i didnt recommend GRILLZ i was just saying that they wernt hard to change the lense:confused: seems like my posts was misread or i put acroos what i wanted to say wrong!

i have had a mix between grillz and JT and many different pairs
and prefer the grillz for the simple fact is its better vision IMO

-MJ
 

ListerOfSmeg

Woodsballer for life
Dec 17, 2005
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Mask :

My Specification -

- Anti-Fog Double Lens
- Good Quality + Amount of Protection (Safety first)
- Option to add fan to help clear if desired later on
- Price Range of £15-£40
- Black/Woodland Camo
- Available for Order in the UK
Certainly want to spend £40 minimum. Goggles are the single most important piece of kit you will ever own. I personally recommend the V-Force Grillz or Profiler. Although I am not a fan of the JT goggles they are still worth looking into. Best thing to do though is try them on first find out which sit most comfortably on your face. Don't worry too much about buying an aftermarket fan because you can make one quite easily with an small PC fan and a 9v battery, which is a lot cheaper and smaller than a dedicated unit.

Markers + Accessories :

My Specification -

- Suitable for Woodland Terrain
- Just less than 300 feet/second (UK Legal Limit)
- 14" (Inch) Barrel
- Comfortable hand grip for non-trigger hand = Possible extra handle or flat surface
- Price Range = Unsure but not too high preferably
- Black/Woodland Camo
- CO2, although I've been recommended HPA (is it allowed for Rec use ? If so, that please)
- Available for Order in the UK
Since this will be your first marker don't aim too high but also don't go too low. People have quite rightly suggested Tippmanns for woodsball due to their ruggedness (They're like the AK's of the paintball world, indestructable), but for the same money you can find an Autococker Trilogy. These don't shoot any faster than a Tippmann but they are smaller, lighter, better suited to a 14" barrel, can run on CO2 and HPA and when you upgrade to another marker it makes an excellent backup to keep in your bag.
HPA is deffinatly the better option to CO2 as HPA is more consistent and cleaner meaning it won't foul up your marker. And yes HPA is allowed for rec use.

Accessories -

- Red Dot Sight / Scope for slight zoom (Open to advice)
- Barrel Sock
- Loaders/Hoppers (Open to advice)

Red dot's aren't really needed as you will tend to aim with the paint (fire a few shots, adjust your aim, eliminate player), although on some markers they do look good :p

A barrel sock is mandatory at every site you go to. I recommend getting a couple if you can incase you lose one when you're on the field. Do not buy a barrel bung. A lot of places won't let you use it as it is so inferior to a sock.

As for loaders, if you go for a Tippmann A5/X7 it won't matter because they have the loaders built into them. For other markers I recommend the Reloader B. I've had mine for about 2 years now and it hasn't let me down once.

Clothing :

- Black/Woodland Camo Hoody
- Protective Gloves
- Elbow + Knee Pads
- Paintball-designed Boots
Clothing is all a matter of what you feel comfortable playing in. I don't recommend a hoody because you will soon start sweating and regretting the choice. A camo jersey like the Tippmann/Spec-Ops one that Warped paintball sell is a good choice.

If you go for gloves I wouldn't recommend the armoured ones with the plastic on the back, personally I find them irritating. Proto, Dye, JT gloves are all good choices to make. There are many more I just can't think of them.

Knee pads I'd say are a must, I know my knees would be knackered if it wasn't for my pads. Elbow pads are a good thing to have but not overly essential unless you plan on diving and/or crawling through bushes.

Shoes designed specifically for paintball aren't nessecery, football boots/hiking boots work for me. There are also the football boot types with the soft blades which some people swear by.

The best advice I can give you is get down to your local site and see what others are wearing. Ask them about their kit, what they like/dislike and try to weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision from there.
 

Xanten

Xanten
Jun 9, 2008
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Outwell, Norfolk
www.twhq.org
Certainly want to spend £40 minimum. Goggles are the single most important piece of kit you will ever own. I personally recommend the V-Force Grillz or Profiler. Although I am not a fan of the JT goggles they are still worth looking into. Best thing to do though is try them on first find out which sit most comfortably on your face. Don't worry too much about buying an aftermarket fan because you can make one quite easily with an small PC fan and a 9v battery, which is a lot cheaper and smaller than a dedicated unit.
Firstly, thanks very much for your detailed response and it's been the best one I've had on all the forums I've visited. All advice I've been given on this forum has been greatly appreciated, but thanks for answering all the sections in one go :).

Ok, Goggles. The advice I was given on the Grillz is that breathing through them is more difficult (I believe the expression was 'like breathing through cardboard). The Profilers sounded good, but due to reasons stated earlier think I'm going to go with the JT ProFlexs I think.

Since this will be your first marker don't aim too high but also don't go too low. People have quite rightly suggested Tippmanns for woodsball due to their ruggedness (They're like the AK's of the paintball world, indestructable), but for the same money you can find an Autococker Trilogy. These don't shoot any faster than a Tippmann but they are smaller, lighter, better suited to a 14" barrel, can run on CO2 and HPA and when you upgrade to another marker it makes an excellent backup to keep in your bag.
HPA is deffinatly the better option to CO2 as HPA is more consistent and cleaner meaning it won't foul up your marker. And yes HPA is allowed for rec use.
Many people have recommended Tippmans. I guess the main thing for me is the 14" Barrel to increase accuracy, ability to upgrade and reliable. Recball / 'Punter Hunting' / Walk-ons are the things I'm going to be doing mostly. If the Tippmans range can do the things above,

Furthermore, I've been given clearance to use HPA by my local site, and they said they'll fill it up for free for me, so I'm ruling CO2 out of the question.

Red dot's aren't really needed as you will tend to aim with the paint (fire a few shots, adjust your aim, eliminate player), although on some markers they do look good :p
The Red Dot Sight is mainly for a bit of style/fun/increased accuracy, so if Tippman's can have them that's a plus.

A barrel sock is mandatory at every site you go to. I recommend getting a couple if you can incase you lose one when you're on the field. Do not buy a barrel bung. A lot of places won't let you use it as it is so inferior to a sock.
I'll definitely be picking one of these up then.

As for loaders, if you go for a Tippmann A5/X7 it won't matter because they have the loaders built into them. For other markers I recommend the Reloader B. I've had mine for about 2 years now and it hasn't let me down once.
Looks likely that this is what I'll be going for. What about the Tippmann .98 ? Does that have a loader built in ? Also, what's your opinion on Halo Loaders ?

Clothing is all a matter of what you feel comfortable playing in. I don't recommend a hoody because you will soon start sweating and regretting the choice. A camo jersey like the Tippmann/Spec-Ops one that Warped paintball sell is a good choice.
I regularly wear a hoody and haven't had a problem yet, plus I like the extra back of the head protection. But I'll keep all this in mind when buying :)

If you go for gloves I wouldn't recommend the armoured ones with the plastic on the back, personally I find them irritating. Proto, Dye, JT gloves are all good choices to make. There are many more I just can't think of them.
Funny you should mention those gloves as they're going to be the ones I was going to get for £6.50 from my local site. Guess it's down to personal preference - I use normal gloves, my mate is using the ones mentioned above and he likes 'em so I'm going to trial them.

Knee pads I'd say are a must, I know my knees would be knackered if it wasn't for my pads. Elbow pads are a good thing to have but not overly essential unless you plan on diving and/or crawling through bushes.
I do a lot of diving, sprinting and crawling in my game, so I'll probably pick up some cheap Knee + Elbow pads from a local cycle shop or something.

Shoes designed specifically for paintball aren't nessecery, football boots/hiking boots work for me. There are also the football boot types with the soft blades which some people swear by.
Currently wear soft astro-turfs for comfort and the fact I have a spare pair. I'm a footballer, so the boots shouldn't be a problem if I decide to go with them. Not really a fan of big walking boots anyway, so I'll probably give them a miss.

The best advice I can give you is get down to your local site and see what others are wearing. Ask them about their kit, what they like/dislike and try to weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision from there.

Cheers, going for my 4th Paintballing experience a week today, so will be talking more in-depth about gear with the Marshalls I know and any others that are there.
 

ListerOfSmeg

Woodsballer for life
Dec 17, 2005
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stafford, england
Glad it helped.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you go for a Tippmann and put a 14" barrel on it it will be come quite a long marker to swing around.

98's don't come with a built in loader you have to buy one seperatly. The Halo is a good loader, but IMO the Reloader is better. The difference being that the Halo has eyes which can get dirty and cause problems. The Reloader is sound activated, it will only feed when it "hears" the sound of the marker firing. I know mine works very well on a 98.

However I THINK (Not certain on this) that you can buy a cyclone feed like the one that is used on the A5/X7 and install it on the 98, but in all honest I genuinly suggest going for the A5 or the X7 over the 98, it will last you a bit longer. The 98 really is just a rental gun.

I don't know who could think breathing through Grillz is like breathing through cardboard because mine are the best goggles I've ever owned wouldn't dream of changing them, but each to their own.

In anycase like I said get down to your site, ask about the gear from people who know and ask to try it out, even if its just on whatever target range they've got, you're not likely to offend anyone doing this as most paintballers are very keen to show off their toys to anyone and everyone, I know I am :D
 

Xanten

Xanten
Jun 9, 2008
16
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Outwell, Norfolk
www.twhq.org
Glad it helped.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you go for a Tippmann and put a 14" barrel on it it will be come quite a long marker to swing around.
Fair enough, will bear that in mind. Have you got a rough dimension of how long it'll be compared to the standard rental markers (which I'm use to using) ?

98's don't come with a built in loader you have to buy one seperatly. The Halo is a good loader, but IMO the Reloader is better. The difference being that the Halo has eyes which can get dirty and cause problems. The Reloader is sound activated, it will only feed when it "hears" the sound of the marker firing. I know mine works very well on a 98.

However I THINK (Not certain on this) that you can buy a cyclone feed like the one that is used on the A5/X7 and install it on the 98, but in all honest I genuinly suggest going for the A5 or the X7 over the 98, it will last you a bit longer. The 98 really is just a rental gun.
Thanks for that, think I'll skip the 98 and just look at the A5 / X7, and with them having built-in loaders I can stop worrying about that.

I don't know who could think breathing through Grillz is like breathing through cardboard because mine are the best goggles I've ever owned wouldn't dream of changing them, but each to their own.

Apparently a well-respected bloke in American Paintballing according to a friend, and he's the one that says it in this Mask Review.

In anycase like I said get down to your site, ask about the gear from people who know and ask to try it out, even if its just on whatever target range they've got, you're not likely to offend anyone doing this as most paintballers are very keen to show off their toys to anyone and everyone, I know I am :D
Will do mate and thanks. I've been in e-mail conversations with the owner of the site, he's a nice guy and is offering to help me out loads, so should be good. Last time I went there were some guys with their own kit, so I'll ask if I can check some of them out if there are any Tippmann Markers knocking about.

Thanks again, all really appreciated,

/Xanten
 

ListerOfSmeg

Woodsballer for life
Dec 17, 2005
315
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stafford, england

Apparently a well-respected bloke in American Paintballing according to a friend, and he's the one that says it in this Mask Review.

/Xanten

Just watched that video, and without trying to embarress you, you got it wrong, he say's the JT Reaper is like trying to breath through cardboard (The mask on the front row, far right). The Grillz were one of his favourites (Back row, far left)
 

Xanten

Xanten
Jun 9, 2008
16
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Outwell, Norfolk
www.twhq.org
Just watched that video, and without trying to embarress you, you got it wrong, he say's the JT Reaper is like trying to breath through cardboard (The mask on the front row, far right). The Grillz were one of his favourites (Back row, far left)
Doh !! My bad. When you said Grillz I imagined that front design of the Reaper and got mixed up, sorry.