Coaching - your views?

[Tinks]

with coaching from the side lines you know ur coach isnt going to get things wrong...but with team mates communication, you got to have a trust which comes with working together, also if half the time you cant hear your coach....then you dont need one simple as...thanks for just more or less saying that coaching is pointless...how can you defend coaching saying it makes the game better, then say, well you cant hear your coach half the time...so you have to rely on what your team mates are telling you, which is what we who oppose coaching are saying anyways

Coaching isn't pointless. I've said that a few times already. Maybe you should go back and read the thread again, my friend.
I'm saying, that sometimes, when I was on the 50, in the middle of the field. I couldn't hear my coach. Whats wrong with that? Thats just me not being able to hear him. So, if I can't hear him, because he's coaching the snake guy, I listen to my friends. It's NOT pointless.
JEEZ.

 

[HPUKer]

no point

 

[mike_measures]

if im correct that most if not all of us are trying to grow this sport???

and coaching includes the crowd and makes it more intresting to watch include ur self into it

 

[Exile]

with coaching from the side lines you know ur coach isnt going to get things wrong

Huh? Coaches are fallible - throwing in the towel at the wrong time, getting the count wrong (seen it happen at all levels).

...but with team mates communication, you got to have a trust which comes with working together

Just like you have to learn to listen for, and trust your coach?

also if half the time you cant hear your coach....then you dont need one simple as...thanks for just more or less saying that coaching is pointless...how can you defend coaching saying it makes the game better, then say, well you cant hear your coach half the time...so you have to rely on what your team mates are telling you, which is what we who oppose coaching are saying anyways

What about the other half of the time.

Also, as a converse argument using your point, if you can only hear your coach half the time, then surely it doesn't matter as much as you nay-sayers are protesting?

Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo.....

 

[Ardolino]

Your missing the point.

Coaching was not introduced to make the game better. It is a result of allowing spectators to get involved, shouting and screaming, supporting their team etc. The idea that the crowd can shout what they like when they like means that having a coach for each team was a natural step. It helps negate "counter coaching" if you can have a dedicated coach for your team.

So this debate is not about whether you agree with coaching or not. It is more about whether or not you want the crowd to get involved. If you do then coaching is going to remain in the X-Ball type formats. I for one, am willing to have coaches if it makes the game more interesting and exciting for spectators.

keka

i think maybe if coaching is going to be around there should be limits as to what is done with coaching....if yes communicating with players whilst offield is needed to cancel out home team advantage with the crowds....fair enough if teams want that, but i mean ive seen it done when literally the coaches are not communicating they are just standing behind the guy they want being shot and pointing downwards....surely thats going a bit too far?

 

[Ardolino]

Just like you have to learn to listen for, and trust your coach?

yes but its easier to trust a coach on the sidelines who isnt underfire and isnt having to fire back at anyone and can literally see the whole field you know hes more likely not going to miss out someone on the field like your back centre might...

 

[Exile]

yes but its easier to trust a coach on the sidelines who isnt underfire and isnt having to fire back at anyone and can literally see the whole field you know hes more likely not going to miss out someone on the field like your back centre might...

Coaches miss moves just like everyone else - on a lot of fields, the back centre actually have better sightlines on the D-wire due to stand ups etc.
Also, the coach may not be getting shot at, but the player he's shouting at sure as hell is, so I don't really see how the trust/communication is easier?

i think maybe if coaching is going to be around there should be limits as to what is done with coaching....if yes communicating with players whilst offield is needed to cancel out home team advantage with the crowds....fair enough if teams want that, but i mean ive seen it done when literally the coaches are not communicating they are just standing behind the guy they want being shot and pointing downwards....surely thats going a bit too far?

All the "coaching" events I've been to have a designated area for the Coach to stand in, that doesn't allow them free reign up and down the tape, but confines them a 10 foot square area.

And how is pointing more of an aid than shouting? Surely an audio signal is less distracting to the player than having to glance over and take your eyes off your lane/opponent?

I mean I was always taught "lose sight, lose the fight"......

 

[Mario]

it can however lead you to developing your skills slower, and also maybe loosing skills you once had, and it eliminates experience and on the field teamwork...and you cant really say that is wrong, its completely true, when i started after playing a few games un coached we had no choice but to communicate as a team, force ourselves to be good snap shooters because we wouldnt have time to be told that there is someone there...so yer it doesnt make you any less talented, but it can lead you to loosing skills, or not developing skills as a better paintballer

this smells of bullsh!t so bad i puked. The absolute biggest amount of horse**** i have ever read.

seriously.

Your skills aren't dependent on a sideline coach. Your skills are dependent on whether or not you practice hard and practice properly and whether or not you put into practice what you have learned.

How does it eliminate experience? Your saying because a coach is telling a player where to shoot one player out of five (for the most part) players are losing out on experience? Seriously think about that, because your honestly wrong. Say we're talking about two players in a snake, if you didn't have a coach, the other players behind you would be shouting where he is. thats the truth of the matter. Just because a coach can see better doesn't make it any different.

On the field teamwork? Can the coach shoot the player out? No. The TEAM has to do that. The players have to pass the info that the coach gives them around each other. The information is perhaps more concise that it previously was but really? eliminate on the field teamwork? No.

And finally, if you lose skills or don't develop skills because your coached, frankly your an idiot. You learn skills in practice. Not in a game.

 

[spangley_special]

i actually quite like coaching

 

[Curly]

im all for coaching