Stako Bottles?

[TheRenton]

If people think the stako is dangerous and they really are worried about someone getting hurt, selling it on isnt the solution.

I agree, although I sold mine at the end of 06 before all the hoohaa, wonder where it is today?

 

[Stan]

The tests were performed by/under the control of the TUV.

If there was a problem, it wouldnt have passed the TUV tests.
In fact no other bottle has passed such stringent tests.

There isnt anyone in paintball who is qualified to overrule the TUV, because the TUV is full of mad German scientists with loads of letters before and after their name.
Where as paintball is full of... Ill stop there im sure you get my point.

Which is all well and good but, the TUV pass the design don't they. They haven't investigated why a handful of bottles that met their design criteria subsequently exploded to see if they were consistent with the specification... as far as i am aware Stako hasn't proven that the bottles that ruptured were up to spec have they? They have proven that the TUV approved the design and claim that all random batch testing on their bottles post-production has been fine with no concerns.

The question people should be asking is whether the current 'industrial' tests are sufficiently relevent to paintball?
If not, and they introduced some tests based on what our bottles and regs go through in a normal day, I think every modern paintball bottle and preset regulator would be found inadequate.

Stan, you bring up a really good point there.
If people think the stako is dangerous and they really are worried about someone getting hurt, selling it on isnt the solution.

It's funny how, after an incident like Nige's, there's an increase in the number of people trying to get rid of their Stako's as fast as they can... as i say, i'm not sure i'd sleep at night if something happened to someone i sold it on to!

 

[Big J]

Stako Bottles

Neither Planeteclipse or LIPS are selling them.....or anywhere else as far as I can see!
Personally I'm not too worried about the alledged issue with Stakos'........while getting blowing up by a carbon bottle isn't my dream I've had a good chat with the tech at my local paintball store (he is primarily a diver so he knows what he's talking about with air tanks). He also runs a Stako and is fully confident in it as long as they are filled correctly and looked after properly......these issues are most likely what caused them to explode.
Only thing he did raise was that the regulator should not be replaced on them? Does anyone know anything about this? I've heard from various other sources that aslong as it's done by a proffesional tech then it should be ok and maybe he is just erring on the safe side? What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks

 

[TheRenton]

Neither Planeteclipse or LIPS are selling them.....or anywhere else as far as I can see!
Personally I'm not too worried about the alledged issue with Stakos'........while getting blowing up by a carbon bottle isn't my dream I've had a good chat with the tech at my local paintball store (he is primarily a diver so he knows what he's talking about with air tanks). He also runs a Stako and is fully confident in it as long as they are filled correctly and looked after properly......these issues are most likely what caused them to explode.
Only thing he did raise was that the regulator should not be replaced on them? Does anyone know anything about this? I've heard from various other sources that aslong as it's done by a proffesional tech then it should be ok and maybe he is just erring on the safe side? What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks

there is too much of a grey area, i bought mine without reg, stuck a PMI HP reg on it and had no problems for a full year+

 

[Stan]

there is too much of a grey area, i bought mine without reg, stuck a PMI HP reg on it and had no problems for a full year+

Mine's the same. Just bought the bottle and stuck a PMI reg on.

"Touch wood", no problems so far. As i said, when the issues started arising i checked mine in a bucket of water and it seemed fine. I'm just really careful with how i fill it. I'll put in 1000psi or so when i first get on site, then let it rest for a bit so it doesn't get to hot, then top it up to 2000 and go and chrono, go back and top it up to 3000 and rest it again before filling it to 4500 prior to the first game. I'll then fill it again after every game.

I've started doing similar with my other bottle as well, just in case!

 

[Big J]

Mine's the same. Just bought the bottle and stuck a PMI reg on.

"Touch wood", no problems so far. As i said, when the issues started arising i checked mine in a bucket of water and it seemed fine. I'm just really careful with how i fill it. I'll put in 1000psi or so when i first get on site, then let it rest for a bit so it doesn't get to hot, then top it up to 2000 and go and chrono, go back and top it up to 3000 and rest it again before filling it to 4500 prior to the first game. I'll then fill it again after every game.

I've started doing similar with my other bottle as well, just in case!

Very wise.......I'm told that the expandature/compression of the polycarbonate liner is what can cause them to go KABOOM?! I believe that Flash filling was the reason sited for atleast one of the explosions? Still.....no bottle (not even a steelie) should be flash filled.....though in reality not much is likely to go wrong it, it still isn't worth doing just to save a few minutes!

 

[Exile]

The question people should be asking is whether the current 'industrial' tests are sufficiently relevent to paintball?
If not, and they introduced some tests based on what our bottles and regs go through in a normal day, I think every modern paintball bottle and preset regulator would be found inadequate.

This is one of my concerns - how many other HPA applications have the entire weight of the bottle supported by the regulator threads alone? Scuba tanks and firefighters BA gear all have the bottle harnessed with little to no weight handled by the reg.

Whereas we trust the reg threads to support the whole weight of the bottle and then slam our guns into the ground when diving/sliding etc.....

 

[Dark Stranger]

so pardon me for being a complete dumbass on the matter, why if there really is a design problem are they still being sold. And secondly if there is a problem what exactly is it. Are we saying we can only fill a stako to 3K ?

Every time a retailer / site owner posts anything negative regarding stako's they are immediately threatened with legal action for defamation / slander.

 

[Stan]

Every time a retailer / site owner posts anything negative regarding stako's they are immediately threatened with legal action for defamation / slander.

Who by?

 

[Dark Stranger]

Who by?

Stako