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Dye Ultralight Cocker won't fire...

Lucky

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nope,

You know, im sure it DID, cus at one point it would fire once out of 10 times, and I remember cocking it before shooting, but so many people have put their collective cocker 'knowledge' together and now I don't think it'll even cock!
Ignore the "collective knowledge" and "random oil it posts":eek:

What appears to be happening from your description is that the gun is not catching on the sear, which would account for your 1 in 10 shots, the gun appears to cycle but the bit that makes it go bang is not engaging
the bit from moody's
Now you have to adjust the hammer lug. This is the part that catches the hammer on the sear as the back block travels forward. With the ’98 and later models, there is a hole drilled into the top of the gun that goes all the way through to the bottom of the frame. If you have an earlier model, take it to your local airsmith and have him drill it for you, it will save on the headaches. Two notes, on 98 and later bodies, some of the holes are drilled so that the lug cannot be adjusted with gas in the gun. The hammer has to be pushed a little forward on the valve stem to get the hole to line up with the hammer. Also, there are two types of hammer kits, one (used on pre '98 models) uses a set screw that is adjusted with a 3/32 hex wrench, and the other (98 and later, and some after market hammer kits) needs a 1/8 wrench, so if it feels like the hex key is all the way down, but the lug isn't moving, try the other size wrench.

Now that you have found the lug, the right wrench, you set it so the hammer falls just before the halfway point in the pull. If it drops early, turn the screw in, if it falls late, turn the screw out.

If it doesn't fall at all, it's one of two things. First, the lug is turned so far in that the sear never even sees it, or second, the lug is so far down that the sear can't drop far enough to let go. To find out which way you have to go simply push on the cocking rod. If it feels like its hitting a spring when there is no air in the gun, the lug is too far up, (that's the valve you're pushing on). Just slowly lower the hammer lug until it starts to catch the sear.
If it feels rock hard, with no give, that's the sear you are pushing on, and it's too far out. If its too far out, you have to loosen the two screws on the grip, then pull the trigger, the hammer should let go. If it doesn't, take the grip screws all the way out, and GENTLY move the grip away from the body. If you are too rough, you will bend the 4-way operating rod, and that's not good.
 

Lucky

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So first things first then really.

If, it will not cock when you pull the COCKING rod back, then:

1) Cocking rod is not screwed in fully or the knob on the back has wound in and will not allow sufficient movement to engage the sear.

2) Sear is sticking/stuck down, spring lost or broken etc.

3) Lug is not wound down far enough.

Pump rod length is preventing full cycle and not allowing sear to engage (like the cocking rod knob situation).
Honestly!
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Cusack

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Oct 17, 2005
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So first things first then really.

If, it will not cock when you pull the COCKING rod back, then:

1) Cocking rod is not screwed in fully or the knob on the back has wound in and will not allow sufficient movement to engage the sear.

2) Sear is sticking/stuck down, spring lost or broken etc.

3) Lug is not wound down far enough.

Pump rod length is preventing full cycle and not allowing sear to engage (like the cocking rod knob situation).
Ok so i somehow got it to cock, but not it won't fire, even with eyes off and a good battery, it just clicks and a light inside the grip flashes but no sear / lug action?

I tried an allen key in hole but it didnt feel like it was adjusting anything. I tried it cocked but the allen key just caused it to uncock?


:confused: any help much appreciated!


edit- just read the posts seem oriented to a mech cocker, i forgot to mention this was an eblade with torpedo -like things on the front??
 

Skeet

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Take the frame off the gun.

First...make sure the gun is set to SEMI not CLASSIC firing mode.

Classic, is like the mech cockers, where by if you hold the trigger back, the back block stays back till you release the trigger.

Turn off eyes.

Now check that the sear is actually operating.

You should be able to see it move.

Also check for any obvious wear.

Look at the bottom of the gun body and you should be able to see the lug. Check and make sure it isn't damaged etc.

Fit the frame back on the gun.

Cock it.

Does it cock?

Does firing release it?

You need to remove the bolt to access the lug. Allen key size is 3/16.

You said that putting the key down, uncocks the gun. Great, that is what you want.

With gun cocked, push the allen key down till it decocks and STOPS ON THE KEY.

Now, hold the cocking knob and slowly pull the key out, until you can let the knob go in a bit.

Now you should have the key sitting on top of the hammer, where the lug is...feel around with the key until you find the lug hole, then pop it in and wind it in or out depending on what you need.

Ideally you should be able to cock and fire the gun manually (without air) 10 times out of 10.

The part of the timing that controls the sear is the SON and is usually set at 4ms.

If you find that pulling the trigger once, will not release the hammer but 2 or 3 pulls will...the you need to increase the SON time.

What is happening, is the sear is going down, then back up before the hammer has chance to move, possibly because the main spring is worn or collapsed, that pushes the hammer forward.

Worth checking the mainspring (take cocking rod out, rex dialler out) to see if it looks ferked.

See how you get on with that.
 

Gee Tee

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FWIW i set the hammer grub screw so the trigger solenoid releases the sear about halfway through it's travel. You can check this manually (Eblade turned off) by removing the R/H grip panel, cocking hammer by pulling cocking rod & releasing the sear by pushing it up at the bottom using an allen key or screwdriver blade.

If it releases early/late/not at all, or even fails to catch on the sear reliably, you can tweak the grub screw up or down until it's spot on. Even 1/4 of a turn makes a big difference, so it's worth taking to time to get it right. Setting both my Blades this way allows me to run a SON time of 3 & still shoot reliably, plus it helps to save a bit of battey life.

Auto Cockers can be fiddly to time/set up if not familiar with them, or the way they operate, so an Eblade could be tricky to fettle for the same reason. The articles found on the Moody Paintball website are a godsend, and that's coming frome someone who's owned & run cockers/Blades for the best part of 15 years ;)
 

Cusack

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okay just taken the grip off, other than the eye wire being spliced and the wire going to the solenoid a little damaged (slightly more cosmetic though i think)

it looks ok.

However the solenoid wasn't completely pushing the sear up for some reason, it wasn't making the loud click noise that you usually get, as if it was stuck, which was causing the non cocking problem (problem 2), which seems to have remedied itself with taking the grip off and putting it back on :confused:

So now it's back to problem 1 (i assume, as i have no HP HPA left) which is fixed by adjusting the lug is that correct? I need to screw it out so that it catches the other thing (lol) reliably?




will report back after the weekend i think!

EDIT: oh by the way, the gun doesn't have SON ?
 

Skeet

Platinum Member
okay just taken the grip off, other than the eye wire being spliced and the wire going to the solenoid a little damaged (slightly more cosmetic though i think)

it looks ok.

However the solenoid wasn't completely pushing the sear up for some reason, it wasn't making the loud click noise that you usually get, as if it was stuck, which was causing the non cocking problem (problem 2), which seems to have remedied itself with taking the grip off and putting it back on :confused:

So now it's back to problem 1 (i assume, as i have no HP HPA left) which is fixed by adjusting the lug is that correct? I need to screw it out so that it catches the other thing (lol) reliably?




will report back after the weekend i think!

EDIT: oh by the way, the gun doesn't have SON ?
If your gun has an Eblade on it, it has SON.

Open Grips, with gun on...press and hold red button until TIMG appears in the display, then hit middle button and you will see the timing sections.

SON CDEL, CON, COFF.

Did you make sure it is in semi rather than Classic? Should be under MODE