In regards to 'UKM 2007 Info Thread'
- Thread starter johnmassive
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Dude, Im not sure if your quite getting the point here... If masters were to go ramping, that doesn't mean you HAVE to ramp, it just means you have a choice wether to ramp or not...
To all of the other ''Haters''
Ramping can be believeed to take the skill out of the game... I kinda find it a bit hard to understand this. Its just making things a little bit easier so you dont have to shoot a constant 15.4 BPS or whatever.... Its hardly taking the skill away from the game.
The UK, as you will all know, is massively behind the US in paintball, and also as you will know, most people in the UK want paintball to be just as big as it is in the USA. Now, no offence to the people who are really trying out there, but the only thing people are trying to change, is getting the sport on TV. Its not going to happen! So atleast we can try and change the gameplay a little, by making the games faster and more exciting...
Lets get a grip guys... Ramping is awesome. Semi sucks compared to ramping. I love ramping. You love ramping. Ramping loves youuuuu....
yes - but if i had a marker that didnt ramp - i personally wouldn't want to be at the disadvantage of not being able to shoot 15.4bps constantly - other people may feel differently.
to me you could use that same arguement with full auto (ignoring the legality factor) and personally Id rather play against someone who could mug you and shoot you a few times than someone who could mug you and will definately shoot you at 15 bps.
Doesn't making something easier inherently reduce the skill required?
and also if you want paintballing to be as big as it is in the US then you must want more players entering the sport yet then why are you promoting ramping which is clearly disliked by the majority of new players?
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ollytheosteo
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I'd question whether using ramping would make games more exciting to watch, especially at anything but the top level, but the way to get paintball more popular is to get people playing, not watching. Using semi means you get a learning curve; as you get better at shooting your gun faster and controlling your overshooting you also get better at avoiding getting shot (in theory). Thus new players don't get instantly blasted off the field by other new players in love with their gun's instant firepower. Let the pros use ramping if they like by all means; as the last few years have shown if you don't let them use assistance to shoot fast they either learn or cheat
their way to it and fair enough. But let the new players start at a level that's less scary and more challenging and they're more likely to come back for another go. Create an environment where everyone is slinging buckets of paint around from minute one and you risk driving people away or back to the woods
their way to it and fair enough. But let the new players start at a level that's less scary and more challenging and they're more likely to come back for another go. Create an environment where everyone is slinging buckets of paint around from minute one and you risk driving people away or back to the woods
dude, get a grip! have you actually played a ramping tournament or game?
I've played them for the past 2 years uk and abroad. an I have yet to be mugged at 15bps!
ramp kicks in at 5bps so unless you have a guy who is deliberately trying to hose you your argument is null and void!
I agree with olly that 'newbies' should play semi as you need them to understand the basics first before they get machine gun mode!
if people think that twiddling fingers quickly is a MAJOR skill then they are destined to be stuck playing a hobby for the rest of their days!
the UK scene is scared of change! scared of something they can get away with, changing so they have extra work to do. when they don't even have the basics dialled.
ramping just takes away one of those supposed skills.
times change, people change, and so should the game!
and its people's disillusioned views that corrupt the system!
This is an argument that the players have bought on themselves. In asking for more and more advancements in the use of technology and the ability to program markers to very fine specifications we have opened a pandoras box which now can never be closed.
Semi automatic is unrealistic with electronic markers. Putting accessibilty of certain functions into the hands of the players means that people will cheat. The is no stopping them. It cannot be policed or enforced. And thats the truth of the matter. Tournaments cannot stop it them. The NPPL who are at the forefront of trying to police semi automatic are having problems enforcing it.
The argument about reducing a skill set is ridiculous. Are you guys serious? Thats not a skill set. Not on electronic markers. Everyone can hit 12 bps, no problem. Anything above that (in semi auto) is marker bounce, settings etc. If you honestly think that you can move your fingers more than 12 times in one second continuously, you are kidding yourself.
Ramping works, it doesn't cost any more than semi in reality and people are opposed to it because they are too entrenched in their own ways.
I do however agree that new players should start in semi. KOTH or similar is a good way to do this. However if any of these new players have any aspirations of playing pro then they are going to have to grow a set. Ramping is here to stay until tournaments start supplying their own boards for the guns. And thats the truth of the matter.
Accept ramping as a short term solution. Its the safest option. Long term - start applying pressure to tournament series to make their own boards, and instead of whining about it, effect a change.
Semi automatic is unrealistic with electronic markers. Putting accessibilty of certain functions into the hands of the players means that people will cheat. The is no stopping them. It cannot be policed or enforced. And thats the truth of the matter. Tournaments cannot stop it them. The NPPL who are at the forefront of trying to police semi automatic are having problems enforcing it.
The argument about reducing a skill set is ridiculous. Are you guys serious? Thats not a skill set. Not on electronic markers. Everyone can hit 12 bps, no problem. Anything above that (in semi auto) is marker bounce, settings etc. If you honestly think that you can move your fingers more than 12 times in one second continuously, you are kidding yourself.
Ramping works, it doesn't cost any more than semi in reality and people are opposed to it because they are too entrenched in their own ways.
I do however agree that new players should start in semi. KOTH or similar is a good way to do this. However if any of these new players have any aspirations of playing pro then they are going to have to grow a set. Ramping is here to stay until tournaments start supplying their own boards for the guns. And thats the truth of the matter.
Accept ramping as a short term solution. Its the safest option. Long term - start applying pressure to tournament series to make their own boards, and instead of whining about it, effect a change.
bloody hell this arguement started between 3 or 4 of us after eastie posted up bout rampin in the UKM and now its a full blown thread arguement.. luvin it
as i put b4. WHY MESS WITH PERFECTION..
im sure 99% of UKM players luv it just the way it is..
MUCH LUV
Dave
as i put b4. WHY MESS WITH PERFECTION..
im sure 99% of UKM players luv it just the way it is..
MUCH LUV
Dave
and by what means do you have basis for comparison?
it strikes me as odd that most people are willing to give an chime in with thier 2 cents when they themselves havent played in a ramping tournament or event.