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Paontball Mad

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hi,

basically i think we, the paintball community, should be doing more to get the sport and mainly the Uk leagues noticed. By doing things like putting a few flyers in corner shops and giving lessons/speechs/intro days into the sport and leagues at village meetings and events etc... I also think more should be done at punter sites as that is were it all starts. Its all well and good us b!tching about why we arent on the TV etc... its because not enough people know about tourny ball and all they know is rec-ball.

Do you think it is an area we should try to improve on?
How much are we really doing now?
what other ways should we go about getting the UK leagues across?

just an idea that i want you all to discuss

~Tim :cool:
 

Shadlad

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Tourny ball for one is not just limited to the air fileds. Rec ball is playing woodsball tournies so the both need promoted. Take the likes of Go Ballistic's Ionman events they are investing heavily in promoting them as it bridges the gap from punter to rec baller. The Rec ballers then can split into either woodsball or air ball.

How many other events are putting everything made and more back into the series ? With the likes of Red Bull coming along the event is going to get coverage. But still not many people have seen the importance of events like this bar Go Ballistic.

Even if woodsball is not your cup of tea you need to give Go Ballistic your backing and get this series of the ground in a big way. That way new faces will come on the scene and more players will buy their own kit. Both Woods and Air will gain from these events. If things go well Red Bull will plough more time and effort into their support as well.
 

Hoodless ECI

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I also think more should be done at punter sites as that is were it all starts. Its all well and good us b!tching about why we arent on the TV etc... its because not enough people know about tourny ball and all they know is rec-ball.
And stop some of the more uptight (solely devoted to making a business out rental and regular site players) owners of the "punter" site(s) putting money into his pocket? - No Chance.

It's been discussed before on many occasion's, if you were to look back briefly you will see.

I've tried on many occasions to "sell" tournament paintball to various friend's, family and colleagues, it's just impossible, you get as far as throwing paint at eachother at 15 balls a second and hiding behind what could be no more described as an inflatable haribo-sweet, and they stand there with a big smirk wiped on their face imagining how stupid you look playing it, that's before other issues come into the scene.

People "outside" of the sport will never understand our love for this sport, tournament paintball is something that has to be experienced first-hand to be acknowledged and respected as one of the best sports ever to grace this planet.

No flyer or poster in a corner shop will ever explain it.

rant over...

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Hoodless ECI

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As I said people should look at the Ionman events and see that the site owners do care and are trying to make the effort for this series of events.
Sorry Shadlad, I wasn't having a dig at ALL site owners. Just making a generalisation due to a minority. I know you work hard to give something back to the community, you are one of many decent owners, but some site owners wouldn't be happy about advertising tournament paintball. as if the influx of players we hope for ever came, regular "punter" site players would stop playing on rental sites and start playing for real...therefore removing some of the site owners income. (if that makes any sense whatsoever)

apologies again Shadlad, you are a decent fellow, i will edit post accordingly.

No offense intended.

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Shadlad

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None taken mate,

Just I know the ammount of money and effort Go Ballistic have put into this event that is being held at my site. Just seems a shame that people don't see the investment and energy they have done.

Your right in saying people don't promote the sport, that is why the Ionman has been put together. Novice players can enter an event with out being hammered badly. They can also see the likes of "Manc Lions" playing and see the standards they can reach. They can also see the kit that people like you and I own, which is something that a normal punter on a site day would not see.
 

Robeenio

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customers see paintball as a great day to become rambo!

where they can be a hero for a day

you really think they are gonna get a team together jump into tourny even at koth level and 1 understand the principles
and 2 be a hero for a day?

no chance hot pants!

yeah its great to have them come along but you need to promote the local SITES to that tourny so they can CHOOSE!

and accomodate the people!
without confusing the toilet duck out of them! or pouncing saying you HAVE to buy this shiney gun cos its the greatest and best of eveything ever!

its up to everyone to do their part! and not put people down everytime they suggest it!

i'm just saying it needs to be done right!
 

Gups

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A lot of people see Tourney as the next step on from Woodsball. They view the 'rambos' in need of conversion to the 'proper' game and that only the 'proper' game/sport should be promoted, since woodland is detrimental to the goals of Supair.

For a while i followed this train of thought too. I cringed when i saw an article on woodsball on TV or in the paper and thought this was detrimental to the 'real game'. Even tho i work for a rental company i saw rec only as a stepping stone into the real game. I got involved in tryng to promote the 'sport' side of paintball and poo-poo'd anything woodland/rambo related. For a period of a year or so i wrote reports and got them in the local paper sports sections and on the BBC website sports pages, for what they were worth.

But then i took a step back from it all and gave it some thought.

My line of thinking now is that there is nothing wrong with the 'Rambos'. I love the tricked out scenario guns as much as my Ego. But they are different tools for different jobs. Woodland/scenario is as valuable and certainly more popular and fun than Tourney. Just because a person is into banger racing doesn't mean he wants to compete in F1. And a figure skater may have no interest in ice hockey/speed skating. And so what?

It's good to see sites offering both tourney and rec, but as Psycho says, it's up to the player to choose. Some will want to play tourney but IMO most will stay in the woods, and they shouldn't be condemmed for it.

I don't think my attempt to promote paintball made much if any difference at all. A few people contacted me and asked how to get into paintball, but whether they followed it up or not i've no idea. They may well have gone to their local site regardless of whether or not they read the articles..

IMO people reading an article about paintball in their local rag will probably have the same response as someone reading an article about bobsleigh...The bobsleighers may be interested but the others will look at the pic, skim over the first paragraph then reach for the TV remote.

Paintball isn't an interesting concept until you try it. Getting people to try it in any form is the first step.
 

Syd (NSPL)

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From the point of view of raising the profile of tournament paintball, which is what this thread was set-up to discuus, there are some very defeatist attitudes here and it is understandable why. Tournament paintball IS very much a minority activity and lives in the shadow of traditional paintballing in terms of public awareness. It is always going to be an uphill struggle to raise the awareness of tournament paintball and it is bound to seem like an impossible task at times. But that's no reason to give up.

Guppy, I was on the front line with you during the period when you were promoting tourney-ball heavilly and I am sorry to hear that you think your efforts were wasted. I would suggest to you that the most certainly were not, though measuring the results of your efforts is almost impossible. One thing I can say for certain, is that for every person you educated about tournament paintball, you raised the public awareness of our sport. A drop in the ocean maybe, but every little bit helps.

And that's the point here surely. If everyone involved in tournament paintball put as much effort in to promoting the sport as you did, we could certainly be able to measure the success of those efforts.

The thing that has to be discussed is the methods people use to promote the sport... as has been mentioned above, it is very difficult to describe our facination with the game in a conversation with someone who has never seen or experienced tournament paintball first hand. Even posters and flyers are going to struggle to get the message of how enjoyable and rewarding the sport is to play. But with a little thinking outside the box, we can achieve results if we are prepared to work hard, stick to our guns and stay motivated even when our efforts see little measurable rewards.

Of course it is easier to promote woodsball as public awareness of this format is already very high. But does that mean it is more marketable? Well it depends upon the demographic we are trying to market too, but I firmly believe that tournament, sup'air paintball is much more marketable to the average young male than woodsball if it is presented in all its glory.

The problem we face is the accessibility of the sup'air format once we have gained interest. Its no use selling someone an idea and then asking them to go hugely out of their way to give it a try - the conversion rates to getting interested players involved in the tournament scene fall down here. We need a better infrastructure of paintballing venues actively offering AND promoting Sup'Air paintball facilities. Then and only then can we measure the success of our efforts in marketing tournament paintball. We have been around this issue many times and it always comes back to needing more sup'air venues to make any dramatic improvements.

Does this mean we should give up promoting the tournament format? Of course not. Although the conversion rates of getting people interested in the sport to getting them involved in playing are low, every little helps. And for every person we make aware of our sport along the way, that raises public awareness. The more public awareness there is, the easier our job becomes and when the infrastructure is in place (and it will be sooner or later), all of this work will pay dividends.

So let's talk about how to promote the sport rather than argue over whether any efforts are worthwhile or not and therefore stiffle any good intentions that are there to start with.
 

Gups

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That's kind of you Syd :)

There were several other teams around the UK who attempted to bring the concept of tourney-ball to the 'masses' via their local media as well. Bridport Synapse, Stoke Quest 7, Leicester Wildcats, Kitsune (Norwich) and one of the welsh teams - soz i forget who -also were successful in getting their reports published on the BBC.co.uk website and in local papers.

For those interested - go to bbc.co.uk and type in 'paintball tournament' or 'paintball league' or similar. A few reports are still up there, going back to '03 tho many have been removed now

I've never aired this before, but now seems a good time since we're on the topic. For me 'giving up' promoting paintball was mainly due to being told from within my team that i was bringing 'unwanted attention' and hence making the team a 'laughing stock', for my attempts to promote the sport. I was told i wasn't a 'team player' because my attempts were acknowledged by PBUK and the Sports Council in that i was nominated for a couple of 'service' type awards. I was getting the 'glory' personally, not the team. I really backed off after this and tried to keep out of the limelight. I went as far as e-mailing PBUK to ask them not to run an article they were doing on my sports council nomination. Shortly after this, i read the negative criticism of the PA after they were successful in getting a couple of events televised. This put the nail in the coffin for me, but credit where it's due, the Hatts, unlike me didn't give up :)

Basically, when the drubbing and belittling comes from your 'own people' it makes you question if your approach is indeed right at all and, i for one, have to believe in what i'm doing in order to continue with it.

So there you go. Maybe the critics of the few who WILL try to promote paintball in the future should be more constructive in their criticism..ie suggest ways of making the reports better or approaching it from a different angle, rather than offering up the type of comments i received. We're all in this game together, right?

But Syd is right in that no amount of reading about something will make you take something up until you TRY it for yourself and that the sup'air facilities for many are too inaccessible. But as there's been a growth in sites offering supair facilities maybe the future's not so bleak :)