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Robbo

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As some of you may have guessed, I have been having some, hmmmm, how shall I put it?........ 'interesting' discussions with the Millennium Board of late, primarily with Barry Fuggle and Steve Baldwin.

Here is an announcement Steve would like to make on behalf of the Millennium Board in the light of some of the things that have been written on these boards recently, you guys can chew over and comment upon what it says :) :-

It appears there is some confusion with regard to CPL & SPL transfer fees which I would like to try to clear up. We did hold meetings last week in which those team owners who could attend appeared to understand what we are trying to achieve.

It has always been our intention to build a very successful league to be the envy of professional paintball around the world. Last year was the first step and was very positive, from this groundwork we have now introduced the SPL.

The only way the league will continue to grow and be successful is with a joint approach between the Millennium and the team owners. The Millennium for its part is providing the best possible facilities and organisation to ensure maximum exposure to the broadest possible audience. You will see a great deal of movement forward in this respect at the venues this season. What the Millennium needs from the teams is a high level of professional commitment.

From a financial angle it is very simple to see that it is impossible for the Millennium to directly earn money from running the CPL and SPL leagues, this is not our aim. Of course we are a business, but our income will come later as will that of the teams.

To ensure a successful league we need consistency among the teams throughout the seasons, with the stronger teams rising through the ranks. What we don't want is teams changing hands thus making each leg of the league just look like another tournament, this will devalue the league for its members. In order to stop this we agreed at the outset of the CPL to impose a transfer fee should teams change hands. As a result, transfers have been kept to a minimum and consistency prevails.
If a team now wants to sell, (and they can sell for what they like, this has nothing to do with the Millennium) the transfer fee ensures the new team is more likely to be of a high quality.

As many of you may remember, we tried a few years ago to introduce XBall to Europe. ON the face of it, this was a disaster for the Millennium and the teams. However, from this we learned some very important lessons that have assisted us in making the CPL work successfully.
We must also ensure the SPL is as successful and this is why we have slightly altered some aspects of the format so teams don't suddenly increase their costs.
We will keep our eyes firmly on all aspects of these leagues all season and listen to team feedback, as we did last year, to ensure we move forward together.

It would take many pages to explain all our points and all of what's happening in the Millennium but I am more than happy to speak to any of the teams affected over the phone should any of you wish.

Stephen Baldwin
 

Mario

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What worries me is that they still have no-one on these boards to answer questions. They continue to post through other people.

The NPPL have camille, the PSP has Keeley/Geoff/Lane.

Seriously - If they see whats going down on these boards surely they can register?

Or would that be too much too ask?
 

Baca Loco

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As some of you may have guessed, I have been having some, hmmmm, how shall I put it?........ 'interesting' discussions with the Millennium Board of late, primarily with Barry Fuggle and Steve Baldwin.

Here is an announcement Steve would like to make on behalf of the Millennium Board in the light of some of the things that have been written on these boards recently, you guys can chew over and comment upon what it says :) :-

1--It appears there is some confusion with regard to CPL & SPL transfer fees which I would like to try to clear up. We did hold meetings last week in which those team owners who could attend appeared to understand what we are trying to achieve.

2--It has always been our intention to build a very successful league to be the envy of professional paintball around the world. Last year was the first step and was very positive, from this groundwork we have now introduced the SPL.

The only way the league will continue to grow and be successful is with a joint approach between the Millennium and the team owners. The Millennium for its part is providing the best possible facilities and organisation to ensure maximum exposure to the broadest possible audience. You will see a great deal of movement forward in this respect at the venues this season. What the Millennium needs from the teams is a high level of professional commitment.

3--From a financial angle it is very simple to see that it is impossible for the Millennium to directly earn money from running the CPL and SPL leagues, this is not our aim.

4--Of course we are a business, but our income will come later as will that of the teams.

To ensure a successful league we need consistency among the teams throughout the seasons, with the stronger teams rising through the ranks. What we don't want is teams changing hands thus making each leg of the league just look like another tournament, this will devalue the league for its members. ---***---In order to stop this we agreed at the outset of the CPL to impose a transfer fee should teams change hands.---***--- As a result, transfers have been kept to a minimum and consistency prevails.
If a team now wants to sell, (and they can sell for what they like, this has nothing to do with the Millennium) the transfer fee ensures the new team is more likely to be of a high quality.

5--As many of you may remember, we tried a few years ago to introduce XBall to Europe. ON the face of it, this was a disaster for the Millennium and the teams. However, from this we learned some very important lessons that have assisted us in making the CPL work successfully.
We must also ensure the SPL is as successful and this is why we have slightly altered some aspects of the format so teams don't suddenly increase their costs.

6--We will keep our eyes firmly on all aspects of these leagues all season and listen to team feedback, as we did last year, to ensure we move forward together.

It would take many pages to explain all our points and all of what's happening in the Millennium but I am more than happy to speak to any of the teams affected over the phone should any of you wish.

Stephen Baldwin
Let me stipulate a couple things in advance.
It's none of my business.
Nor any of my concern.
I don't know any of the key figures involved.
It isn't costing me a penny.
And, yes, it's bullet points. *sigh*

But I do have a few questions.:)

1--What confusion? There was some shock, amazement, perhaps a touch of outrage but very little confusion. Nor is the MS's position particularly obscure. SEE ---***--- Paraphrase: 'You are free to sell your spot but we intend to discourage this as much as possible by attaching a punitive transfer fee to the transaction.' That seems quite clear to me. Ok, that wasn't a question, just an observation.

2--I'm calling shens because for the life of me I can't see that that part actually says anything substantive at all. Well there is the bit about calling on the teams to be partners, after a fashion, with the league so they can all be successful and move forward. Ok, again, not really a question but a question would be how about some substance and not more recycled LeagueSpeak?

3--Which leads me to wonder what constitutes success and moving forward? Details, maybe? A hint even?

4--I think I've heard this song before. Maybe it's just me (and I am an admitted conspiracy-minded whacko) [oh, and an anarchist--hence this post] but so far all I've gathered is there is an unspecified plan aimed at success and moving forward that includes regulating the upper leagues for their own future good while taking in monies that don't generate any profit so that some time in the future the league and teams will share income of a non-specific nature. (And by share I don't mean in a Commie pseudo-utopian, hippy commune what's mine is yours sorta dealio. Just that the statement says some future income will fall to the teams presumably if they get on board now in order to, er, be successful and, you know, move forward.)

5--I'm struggling with the idea of the SPL being as successful as the CPL in not generating any income (probably ought to read, profit) as being a good thing. At least from a business vantage point.
And if the concern about format is aimed at minimizing costs for the teams perhaps there's something to be done about the sudden application of the VAT? Or possibly not. (And before Chi-town chimes in with another completely irrelevant explanation of how grateful everyone ought to be that the fill in the league is providing opportunities to play and stuff costs money I understand all that but I am responding to the specific content *ahem* of this posting. :) )

6--can this be described even charitably as anything but gibberish?

Is it some congenital genetic predisposition that makes some peeps unable to simply say something like: This is how things are going to be done and here are reasons 1 -4 why and while we are open to review and modification where it works for both us and the teams and players we are going this route because ...

Would that really be so hard?
 

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Don't shoot the messenger here guys, I am merely the conduit for this and as for an answer to Baca's somewhat incisive observations, I shall endeavor to get some response but after reading Baca's points, I fear you may well not get one, we shall see.
 

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Actually, I was going to chime in with:

Any promise to share future revenue that is not placed in a written contract is a lie. Yes, we should all be grateful for the effort on the part of the various promoters. Yes, if a league is successful, the teams will enjoy more revenue from capitalizing on the additional exposure.

But do not believe for one second that you are going to get one cent of league revenue when you're not a league owner and your revenue share isn't in writing right now - because it sure as hell isn't going to happen AFTER the league gets big.

I also think the transfer fee is bull****. The argument is that it's needed to keep people from selling out to less-able teams, but that cuts both ways: Maybe I'm not able to finance my team anymore, and now the transfer fee is preventing me from selling out to a team that WOULD be more able than my team will be.

Of course, the transfer fee is easily circumvented - just lease out your team indefinitely instead.
 

Baca Loco

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Actually, I was going to chime in with:

Any promise to share future revenue that is not placed in a written contract is a lie. Yes, we should all be grateful for the effort on the part of the various promoters. Yes, if a league is successful, the teams will enjoy more revenue from capitalizing on the additional exposure.

But do not believe for one second that you are going to get one cent of league revenue when you're not a league owner and your revenue share isn't in writing right now - because it sure as hell isn't going to happen AFTER the league gets big.

I also think the transfer fee is bull****. The argument is that it's needed to keep people from selling out to less-able teams, but that cuts both ways: Maybe I'm not able to finance my team anymore, and now the transfer fee is preventing me from selling out to a team that WOULD be more able than my team will be.

Of course, the transfer fee is easily circumvented - just lease out your team indefinitely instead.
And I only had to say his name once.:)
 

Robbo

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Come to think of it, a lot of what Paul and Chi town say is bang on the money here and so I am gonna ask Barry Fuggle and or Steve Baldwin to come on here and answer directly everybody's concerns coz I am not gonna be anybody's advocate here.


It will be like throwing a sheep to the wolves but hey, who said making money didn't have its downsides :)

I will ask the question, we shall see if they turn up......
 

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off topic yet still made me giggle

It has always been our intention to build a very successful league to be the envy of professional paintball around the world
im sure everyone envys the millenium. after all its not like people are always going on about how the millenium can be improved and the problems they have with it. and its not like a players union has been formed to put forward all of the problems. nope not at all.

in all fairness tho im sure the kinks will work its way out, and one day everyone will know whats going on....kind of