ION L7 and lucky stage 2

[[BIO]Wingnut]

so a qev on an ION is really of little or no benefit apart from the fact that it allows you to have to some extent a better rate of fire to the expence of your oring seals, however a better firing bolt would be of benefit making it a little lighter amd easier on paint?

Wingnut

 

[Marcus Geezer]

QEV & Firebolt

I will confess that after installing a QEV that I have had trouble using standard site paint. I tend to get lots of barrel breaks which I can only guess is a result of the faster bolt action. I've ordered a lucky stage 3 which combined with my lucky stage 2 and my firebolt, should combine to be a bit softer on paint.

However saying that, when I have been to sites I have had no worse trouble shooting site paint than guys with Ego's or Angels. Might be for different reasons, but the results are the same.

However, I now plan ahead and pre-buy good paint before I go, which doesnt really work out anymore expensive in the long run for the day, and I can throw paint lasers due to good fps consistency as a result of my up's.

Oh, sites should be capping your rate of fire at 15bps, of which an Ion can do stock and is also electronically capped by the stock circuit board. Although a QEV and aftermarket bolt will increase your potential rate of fire, you will not benefit from it's use unless you have an aftermarket board, and you have somewhere to use it. Although it is good fun showing your mates your marker that fires 20bps+ sometimes.....

 

[[BIO]Wingnut]

lucky stage 3 which combined with my lucky stage 2

So know i'm a little confused what are these stage 2's and 3's? Sorry to act soo nOOb like but I'm learning fast!! Promise


Wingnut

 

[bageotech]

L7 & Stage 2

For those who are interested in the original thread I have spoken to Todd at TechT and according to him there are no problems with the stage 2 and the L7 bolt.

On the old argument of the benifits of UP's as a scenario paintballer the ups on my SP8 (an ION in wolfs clothing) have given me a noticable increase in the amount of paint I can shoot on a single tank with no appreciable negative affects.

I guess it is all about what you want out of your gun but I would say as a start a firebolt(or equivalent) and QEV are the places to start if you want a benifit in efficieny and rate of fire followed by a freak kit for accuracey.

This is just my humble opinion as a relative newbie been paintballing for less than 6 months.

 

[John C]

I will confess that after installing a QEV that I have had trouble using standard site paint. I tend to get lots of barrel breaks which I can only guess is a result of the faster bolt action. I've ordered a lucky stage 3 which combined with my lucky stage 2 and my firebolt, should combine to be a bit softer on paint.

However saying that, when I have been to sites I have had no worse trouble shooting site paint than guys with Ego's or Angels. Might be for different reasons, but the results are the same.

That is because the bolt action of Angels and Egos is heavy too, on a bang valve you need a heavy bolt action for concistency as well as rate of fire.

PE could make a bolt with fifty orings on it, or WDP could invent a new and even more exciting marketing word that sounds even cooler to people who dont know what paintball is. But they still wouldnt be able to escape the fact that the valve has to be punched concistently really hard each time to knock it open, therefore the paintball takes a beating when its loaded into the breach.

 

[John C]

so a qev on an ION is really of little or no benefit apart from the fact that it allows you to have to some extent a better rate of fire to the expence of your oring seals, however a better firing bolt would be of benefit making it a little lighter amd easier on paint?

Wingnut

Its horses for courses really.
Read the two replies by Marcus Geezer and bageotech above.


'Baggy' plays scenario, where you use fairly tough paint that can be fired through light brush without bursting. But you wouldnt want to keep trekking back to the safe zone to air up every 10 minutes. So having a QEV seems to be a good idea.

Marcus on the other hand has a tourney players requirements. Air is not such a problem as you fill up every game, and you would want to shoot as brittle paint as possible to minimise the possibility of bouncers. Also Rate of fire is kept under control so the ability to shoot insane BPS is just a gimmick.

 

[John C]

So know i'm a little confused what are these stage 2's and 3's? Sorry to act soo nOOb like but I'm learning fast!! Promise


Wingnut

The stages are luckys upgrades for each part of the Ion. They are designed to work all together but they also work with the stock parts so you can upgrade your ion over time.


Stage 1 is the bolt, it is plastic so its incredibly light (not delrin).
It has the best flow paths of any Ion bolt and a unique bolt stop which has a 'cork in a bottle' effect, allowing the bolt to be very gentle at first, but then can speed up once the ball is properly loaded.

Stage 2 is the firing can. It has an extra tail oring to prevent unnecessary venting during the dump cycle.

Stage 3 is the rear donut, its drilled out more for better recharge.

Stage 4 is the board (and optional upgrade solenoid and membrane pad). Just as many modes as the other boards but cheaper and with far better eye logic.

 

[ION_CRAZY]

i did quite a lot of testin on the stage 4 board with MAC noid, i just couldnt see the improvement at a drastic level. The software is probably one of the best out there, but i only saw an improvement when shootin at high ROF, like 25 BPS, it was more consistant. Is that the main function of the MAC noid, or is it more consistant in maintaining ROF at any BPS?