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Which site/company in YOUR opinion, has the worst reputation


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Demon

Crrrraaaazzzyyyy #88
Sep 19, 2006
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yeh that tru about the punters but bol###cks to oak wood southern Fairies:mad: , we've got the best centre best ermmmmm.... chefff ^^on the day awsell lol:D
northern all the way!:cool:
 

baby dave

Team Stealth
Sep 21, 2006
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haha southern fairies eh? dude the only award we didnt win was the losers award :D

and the chef........was from our site! lol
 

Gups

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May 9, 2003
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Re Delta Force

Ok, after reading 4 pages i can see only a few points i really need to answer:

Nizzie: DF hours vary from site to site depending on how fast/hard the marshals work when clearing up. I have worked as a marshal at 9 DF centres and i think the latest i have ever left is 6-6.30. There are instances where centres haven't finished until 8.30 and this would be where an evening game is booked in the summer, but they wouldn't be starting at 7.30am. Generally games are over by 3.30-4 and it shouldn't take more than 2 hrs to clear up.

Scottya - DF used to clean guns with water about 6 years ago when we used Tippmanns, but we've never had HP air on site to dry them with. Since we switched over to Infernos about 5 yrs ago we have never cleaned them with water. The Infernos aren't fully stripped on a game day, the bolts are removed and squeegied through, ie field-stripped. That's all the Inferno needs really, it's a real workhorse and a very well made gun.

This last comment illustrates how Delta Force have moved on from the past, whereas the old old rumours haven't. Generally it's better to base one's own opinions on experience rather than heresay or you can unwittingly become part of the rumour-mill. If anyone wants to form their own opinions, PM me for some free tickets, but expect to find a well run rental site and to pay £5/£6 per 100 balls, not somewhere you can buy a box for £25 and rip it up on sup'air with your tricked out new Angel ;)

Silverbike- Yes, minor site maintenance is done by managers and their marshals on non-game days, midweek. This is stuff like making sure barricades are intact and removing fallen branches etc. In addition, every site has a monthly inspection (at least) by the regional managers and the centre manager is told what needs to be done. Major maintenance, ie renewing structures, repairing roads, WC's etc is done by the DF maintenance team who work full time maintaining and building centres.

Re DF not allowing own air systems on rental days yet allowing them for our staff scenario game this is not double standards: The scenario air was provided by a paintball HP air company and the decision re players own bottles was down to the air guys to say yay or nay to.
The reason for not allowing air on a rental day is simple: We couldn't guarantee to have a member of staff experienced enough in the test periods/ design specs on all the air cylinders out there, present at every centre on every game day, so for safety we say no. DF is run mainly for the rental market. Once players get their own kit they generally play dedicated walk on days, tourney etc where paint prices are proportionately cheaper because there aren't the overheads that rental days/sites have.

BW Demon - You may have misunderstood what i said at the scenario, DF ARE going to be using air in 2007 but this won't be at all sites all at once. We are going to trial it at one centre, which won't be BW, in 2007 and then tweak it until we have the best system for our needs. Other centres will then go over to air, but we don't have a timetable for this yet and it won't be decided until after the initial test perod is over. The oldest Co2 bottle in DF is only 3 years old and all are pi standard bottles, so we are in no rush to replace our Co2 cylinders.
Incidentally, BW was chosen for the scenario because it's mid way from our furthest apart centres and easy to get to from most locations due to the motorway network. Having said that, I had a good day tho, and i do like BW :)
And yes, the Southern Faries WON, but this wasn't helped by a BW player who took their own (Northern) base flag into basecamp instead of leaving it in the Northern base for a 500 point bonus each time the flag judge did his rounds !!!
 

baby dave

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Sep 21, 2006
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haha lol stupid northerners!

cheers for the day gups OW will be there next year defending our title!
 

onasilverbike

I'm a country member!
Gups, thanks for the answers, I appreciate that and expected you to be along sooner or later! As I tried to imply, I don't work for DF, but I know/play with guys who do, so the information I get is s/h. Even then, those guys often think their centre is different from others, so I appreciate the overall view!

As with everything, some of the marshals are great guys, some are Goobers/Knobbers (TM Greg) and some are in between, so the info can't always be right!

As I think I said, I have experienced worse site conditions that those DF sites I have had experience of. Personally, I think DF is a business that is there to make a profit, people don;t see the costs involved in this "the marshals get paid £.. and there are X-no. punters paying £££s, its a rip off" is a pretty knee jerk reaction in my view. There are a good number of tourney players who have come along through a day at DF, and marshalling there too.

We recently did some calculations, somewhere in the region of £80,000 to set up a new site properly! If DF can afford this, and are bringing new players to the scene, good on them, realistically, which sites can say they convert a high percentage of retail customers to the sport???

In my experience of punter days the cost and facilities are pretty much the same, DF are let down in the 'community' by a bad rep. gained all too often by some over enthusiastic marketing!

:)
 

Flint

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Sep 18, 2006
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Delta have the worst reputation, though Ive seen a lot worse sites! My closest site is in fact the most dangerous and badly managed site I could ever have imagined. Im on its case though....:cool:

Also it varies from site to site, I know FW used to be very good, now I dont know what state its in, I oughta pay them a visit sometime and see. Some other sites are shockingly bad, mostly due to bad management, and this reflects on all of them, which is a problem with being a large business. Generally if people go to one site and hated it, they will think the rest are like that. It also works to an advantage the other way round!!
 

Gups

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May 9, 2003
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Flint & SilverBike, thx for some sensible replies :)
FW have just had brand new Infernos, about 3 weeks ago and a new manager, about 6 weeks ago. I did some training with the marshals up there a couple of months back and they were all really keen to learn and are polite guys & girls. IMO it's a well run site in a nice location. We have a few planning issues there as it's on a private estate so we can't erect permanent structures like we can at other locations. Therefore basecamp is mainly army tents, but they serve their purpose.

Re set-up costs, our set up costs are much higher than £80k.. for an average DF site the guns and Co2 cylinders alone would be 30k, a van another 15k, a castle costs in the region of 10-12K (edited cost of castle 5/1/07- original figure was based on southampton site's costs and i forgot we have 2 castles there!). Our latest site at Bournemouth has been 8 weeks in the build so far and was built from nothing. A swamp was filled in and roads built before the guys could even start on the fields. It took 30 dumper-trucks of hardcore/planings to create a hardstanding for basecamp alone. It takes a long time to start making a profit from a new site but all people are interested in is 'oh my God, they charge £5/£6 per 100'. We gain nothing from 'entry fee' via the VIP tickets, our only profit is what people spend on the day and out of that come the running costs, wages etc.
 

TheGurkha

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Mar 15, 2006
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it may be, delta force is sh!t and the prices are rip off

but still, we get 400+ every single saturday without a doubt and a norm of 300+ on a sunday

i also see that there are quite a few people coming back over and over within weeks of eachother.

Yeah delta force aint great but its bringing more ballers than anyother site i know.

And yeah dude BW was a good site but us OW boys pwned all of you :p


lol, that cracked me up... I presume you work for them? just curious, is that 400 per site??? wow! thats quite amazing considering the marketing technique emplored by DF, those Polish people in Birmingham yesterday must've really been drawing in crowds! I never realised DF had that many staff! presuming they follow the guideline of one Marshall per 10 customers?
 
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