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Buddha 3

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1) With a national league, there will still be teams like shockwave, nexus, etc. These teams would be made up from the best of the uk league, and operate outside the league. This gives every hopeful uk player aspirations to be the best.
No different to the current setup, for the top players, but to the newbie paintballer, there is an enormous gain.

2) And for any company contemplating investing in paintball, there would be a solid single league system that they could identify with. Rather than the current range of series, each with there own set of rules.

Lets say the total number of tournament players is listed. You may have 30% at the PA, 20% at D7's, 30% at Koth, and 20% at the masters. If you were a potential sponsor, you'd run a mile if you saw those figures. Now if there was one league with, lets say 4 divisions (sounds familiar) a sponsor would know he/she would be getting 100% coverage of paintball players.

And if you look at it from a spectators point of view, he/she would find it far easier to understand and enjoy if it was just one league.
1) No different from the current set up....and that's the problem. People won't be motivated if they get to "hang with the stars".

2) Sigh..... why, oh why.... Why do people keep thinking up ways to improve on paintball the product? There is not much wrong with it. Sure there is room for improvement, but that's not what's keeping you guys back. The problem is people not making the transition from rental to walk on to tournament. It's got f*ck all to do with who sponsors what...

I think I'm gonna try to leave this discussion alone. No offense meant, but people think in ways that have nothing at all to do with the problem and somehow refuse to see the real problems. And no matter how many people point at the rather obvious problems and solutions, everybody just goes "yeah but, no but, TV.... spectators.... sponsors...."

Last thing I'll say is rental ---> walk on ---> tournament. Don't need any sponsors, TV or spectators for that.
 

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1) No different from the current set up....and that's the problem. People won't be motivated if they get to "hang with the stars".

2) Sigh..... why, oh why.... Why do people keep thinking up ways to improve on paintball the product? There is not much wrong with it. Sure there is room for improvement, but that's not what's keeping you guys back. The problem is people not making the transition from rental to walk on to tournament. It's got f*ck all to do with who sponsors what...

I think I'm gonna try to leave this discussion alone. No offense meant, but people think in ways that have nothing at all to do with the problem and somehow refuse to see the real problems. And no matter how many people point at the rather obvious problems and solutions, everybody just goes "yeah but, no but, TV.... spectators.... sponsors...."

Last thing I'll say is rental ---> walk on ---> tournament. Don't need any sponsors, TV or spectators for that.

Bud, I tell ya what makes me laugh, as I documented before on here, the likes of Dave Youngblood (Dye) - Avery (NPS) - Billy Ceranski (PMI) all highlighted the problem we face by telling me it was our average site owner who was to blame.
Now these three guys KNOW what they are talking about, I too, have explained the lineage of responsibility and have focused on our site owners and yet...and yet the only guys who defend our site owners ?
Yeh you guessed it....our site owners :rolleyes:

We do have some site owners who invest in the right areas, people like big Syd (Scotland), and also little Sid (SW Region), Russ Steele and I also think Chuck (Colchester).
Now the reason I mention these is because they have existing woodland site businesses and they have chosen to extend their business toward promoting tourney ball, not exclusively obviously but they have expanded the range of products on offer to their customer base.

What Buddha says is right, this is one way to increase our tourney base (buy increasing sites who push walk on's) but I have also suggested (many times before) that we try to push tourney ball as the front end marketing of paintball.
I ain't gonna go over this again but I 100% believe that if we funded a similar type operation that Delta Force employ to market their product (Mall and city centre promotions) then if we did the same with tourney ball, we would revolutionize our game relatively overnight.

...but all the time we have the particular demographic of site owners that we boast, then we got little chance; they are of limited imagination, limited business acumen and more damningly, limited of intellect.
You can't polish turds !!!!!

And the same goes for our present playing tourney base of players - just look at these boards if you need any proof of abject lethargy having infected what seems like our entire tourney population.

Soo many of them post things up on these boards that contradicts what they actually do.
It's not really what people say, people bullsh!t all the time, it's what people actually do that counts in this world and we have far too many talkers in UK paintball and nowhere near enough do'ers.

Sometimes I get kinda sick at seeing a lot of these guys on here believing that if you call each other 'dude' you are a proballer.
Bejeeeeezus - the truth of the matter?
How many real proballers we got???

If you wanna know, then don't go looking at the Millennium to help ya - you gotta look at the NXL teams and the NPPL teams, these are the pros, the real pros.
And for all the bollocks and posturing and 'dudes you hear on here, how many we got out of ALL the ballers over here?
Well, at the moment, I can only think of Dan Maskell who plays (I don't know if he still does) for the Legion.
I might be wrong in thinking he's our only rep but I can't think of any more.
Now trust me on this next point as I had this argument with one of my ex players, if ANY player was good enough to play in either the NXL and or NPPL, then they would be....
If Rich Telford from XSV thought you were good enough then he would be asking you to join, it's as easy as that.
Well, I spoke to Rich the other night, and trust me, he ain't sending no offers across the Atlantic just yet.

We fukkin suk coz we got site owners (our average site owner) who ain't worth sh!t, we got a tourney player base more intent on 'having a laff' and the poor *******s like Kelly's and Shock who actually do put in some real work have to fly the flag for all of us......
A lot of the Shock guys ain't getting no younger (no disrespect meant) and so we (and they) should be breeding that young buck to filter through and that's where we hit another problem.

On top of that, we haven't got the pedigree or depth of coach in this country, no frikkin way.
We got guys who think they understand the game and others who go thru the motions of coaching but I'm afraid if I said we have less than a handful then I ain't exaggerating.
This in itself isn't as big a problem as it sounds because teams can make great improvements just by picking stuff from tourneys, the net or PGi etc but to get to that next level, a coach who knows what he's doing is essential.
 

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Unfortunately i don't think there are a lot of people who actually want to improve and are happy just playing division 3.
Take Campaign Cup for example, there should have been loads more British teams entering that and i think some teams are worried to enter a higher division.
But, you have teams like Kellys who have just turned pro in millennium they show real potential and drive.
The Firm have got a professional player to guest for them in the millennium series, i won't reveal who it is but he is a great player. This shows that they want to improve and be promoted to a higher division.
This has been discussed before i think, but what if we made like a Super British team with players like Nicky T, Ledz, some Nexus guys, some Kellys and The Firm and of course coached by the best and most experienced, Robbo.:)
I'm sure this would help the british scene progress.
We also need to promote paintball much,much more to progress.
 

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Agree with Buddha and Robbo 100%, the problem is where it starts. Im sure everyones first paintball was at a site with punters. So how did we end up where we are now? Im here because I knew I could get my own marker, and wow I discovered a hidden world of tournament paintball! And thats what it is, hidden!

Sites dont seem to offer much more than a days paintballing in the woods, few seem to do walkons and basically none promote tourneyball in anyway at all. Im sure theres a lot of good players out there, who would play it if they knew about it, but they dont! Do a survey from random people, I'd bet 50% wouldnt know what paintball is, 24% have heard but never played, 25% have played and only 1% knew what tournament paintball is!

This is where I believe (not that my word carries a lot of weight here) the problem is, failure in the sites to do more than just line their pockets!
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Agree with Buddha and Robbo 100%, the problem is where it starts. Im sure everyones first paintball was at a site with punters. So how did we end up where we are now? Im here because I knew I could get my own marker, and wow I discovered a hidden world of tournament paintball! And thats what it is, hidden!

Sites dont seem to offer much more than a days paintballing in the woods, few seem to do walkons and basically none promote tourneyball in anyway at all. Im sure theres a lot of good players out there, who would play it if they knew about it, but they dont! Do a survey from random people, I'd bet 50% wouldnt know what paintball is, 24% have heard but never played, 25% have played and only 1% knew what tournament paintball is!

This is where I believe (not that my word carries a lot of weight here) the problem is, failure in the sites to do more than just line their pockets!

Word...
Thinking back, the ONLY reason I got started playing paintball with my own gear, was because I just happened to go on my first (rental) day of 'balling on a site that happened to be owned by a guy that runs a paintball store too, so he has interests in people getting hooked. Had I gone to any other site at that time, I would have been a "once a year" guy most likely...
 

KitsuneAndy

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Word...
Thinking back, the ONLY reason I got started playing paintball with my own gear, was because I just happened to go on my first (rental) day of 'balling on a site that happened to be owned by a guy that runs a paintball store too, so he has interests in people getting hooked. Had I gone to any other site at that time, I would have been a "once a year" guy most likely...
Same here, only it was just that a marshall was an ex-tourney player.
 

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Word...
Thinking back, the ONLY reason I got started playing paintball with my own gear, was because I just happened to go on my first (rental) day of 'balling on a site that happened to be owned by a guy that runs a paintball store too, so he has interests in people getting hooked. Had I gone to any other site at that time, I would have been a "once a year" guy most likely...
I hear you man,

Only reason I started playing properly is after one day's playing I started marshalling at a site run by a tourney baller. Had I played at another site geared solely towards punters, then chances are I wouldnt be on these forums today...
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
The solution isn't really all that hard.
(I know I said I'd stay away, sue me....;) )
I see people mentioning things like forming a UK superteam and all that, which may be fun, it won't solve a damn thing in the long run.

Pete has mentioned promoting the tournament scene, which will help, and I personally feel paintball in general as a NON RENTAL activity should be promoted (in the end it has the same result). Experience has shown that if you get rental players and promote the existance of walk ons to them, a percentage of them will go there, skip forward to the future and a number of them will also progress to tournament paintball, while some stay in the woods with their A5's. This promotion should be done by people working and running the sites. However, as Pete has already mentioned, if site owners make no provisions for walk ons/tournaments or anything else above rental play, nothing will happen...

Don't even get me started on this how to run a team thing.... I'll write something down and post it up soon.

Actually, I see two problems. First, there is hardly any way for people to progress beyond rental play, as outlined above and second, those that do play tournaments don't seem to take it seriously (with some notable exceptions).