Brit Future

[TonyF]

thats all good and well mate but some teams cant afford the huge cost of reballs, (unless they want to drill for 30 mins and spend 2 hours picking them up before they can do them again), reballs are a great thing to happen to the sport. joy division train with them and look where its got them, but over here its either not that accessible, or once it is people suddenly realise they have to get off there fat ass and do something, and choose not to

As a team that have been using Reball regularly for the last seven months, I needed to respond to that statment.

Expensive? not when you consider they are reusable - in two sessions they paid for themselves compared to using training paint on a field.

We drill for 45 minutes and can collect them in and have them rinsed, ready to use in 20 minutes. We train indoors from 8.30am till 6pm (with an hour for lunch). Light and weather are never an issue, and believe me they do a darn sight more training with the reball than on a field, even allowing for the collecting in.

We have about 1200 reballs per player to achieve this and they train with them twice a month. Over the next few months that will go to three times per month.

People say venues are an issue, bull! there are lots of schools sports halls out there sitting empty every weekend. Sell them the idea on training/team sports/life skills building.....any thing they want to hear, and they will hire the place out to you. All you need is some sup'air bunkers or any kind of makeshift crap to start with and some dive tanks.

If any players/managers want to try reball, and can get to Dagenham, give my a call and I'll sort something out, so you can see for yourselves.

But then again you are right, people would have to make an effort!

How many teams get to a field at 10am, play one or two games, go back to the staging area for 45 minutes, play a couple more, then stop for lunch. I suspect it is the 95% Robbo mentions. If you want to progress, then either get out there and try and make it happen, or join a team that is!

Rant over.....now maybe i should read the whole thread

 

[Robeenio]

having read all 5 pages of bickering i want 5 mins of my life back! thanks robbo for at least making sence of it all and casting your views

this thread is a prime example of the reason why paintball in the UK isnt the way we would aspire it to be

there are too many people doing their own thing, thinking they are right and everyone else is wrong!

my opinion is that a governing council of paintball bods could oversee and impliment various training seminars, offer coaching tips & tricks and hell even have a league! but hey thats my opinion and idea! i dont care if its wrong! its an idea i would like to throw into the mix! and will hold my hands up if someone with credentials says.... actually dude thats a silly idea

but peoples view on credentials are where we also stumble across a problem!

many heads are better than 1 and with lots of experience in the sport at high level will level a persons mind enough to stick their head out of the bull$h!t cloud that covers so much of this sport!

 

[Freddie Brockdorff]

Okay - I personally know NOTHING about the UK scene, so I´m just gonna grab a few quotes from this thread and blend with my personal knowledge of Scandinavian paintball!

I cannot for the life of me see how having a UK league will produce anything other than a Domestic champion - not a world-class Team.

I agree 100% - for instanse, off course both Sweden and Norway have national leagues but that´s definately not what made Joy and Menace top-class teams - practise did!

But isn't the strongest paintball base in the USA.

If you try to make a super team, where are you going to get the players from. You need to primarily improve the player base to get the better players.
This isn't an instant fix, but there just isn't an instant fix available.

Don´t think quantative here but quality! I would say (with fear of sounding like my dear brother hehe) that ANY team out there, who put enough effort into training could become a solid div. 1 team in the millennium - the talent is what then gives you that extra something to become a solid pro-team!

Don´t give me any crap about money-issues - we´ve been down that road so many times, and I would at any time say that LOADS of those players who did actually make it to the top, in some ways didn´t AT ALL have the finanzes to go as far as they did..... But again: They did - because they truly wanted to!!!

And many people also seem to forget that training does not always have to be about shooting paint.

Correct!!!!!

In my oppinion you get "hardenend"/experienced in-game by shooting paint/playing tournaments, but it´s the general training that makes you able to do it - the scandinavian top teams practise more than they play tournaments - easy as that! And they shoot more reballs and go to the gym more than they shoot paint!

Domestic Leagues don't make great teams, people make great teams

Touchée!

If there is not someone "on top of things" a team will never go far.... There has to be someone behind it all - off course supporting his players, but definately also to be the bad guy at certain times - pushing the players not only to their limits but even further.... Only when you get your limits moved, can you develop as a player - mentally and physically!

Thinking you are better than any other paintballer, and that you have learned anything there is to learn will take you nowhere - and it certainly wont take you anywhere "up", it will only make you stay on the same level as always: That being not quite good enough for the real top-level....

Just my thoughts though....

 

[Robbo]

Originally Posted by Robbo
Domestic Leagues don't make great teams, people make great teams


Touchée!

If there is not someone "on top of things" a team will never go far.... There has to be someone behind it all - off course supporting his players, but definately also to be the bad guy at certain times - pushing the players not only to their limits but even further.... Only when you get your limits moved, can you develop as a player - mentally and physically!
Just my thoughts though....

Touché back to ya - because in my experience, and not just direct experience, there is always (in successful set ups) a dominant male heading things up and as long as the loyalty and direction remains intact, the sky is the limit.
Sergey Leontiev, Magued, Rocky Knuth, Bob Long, Rich Telford, Ollie Lang...the list goes on and on......

Alpha male leadership may not be an absolute in terms of providing a unique route to success but if the guy in charge knows what he's doing (and all those guys above do) then as long as the player base is committed and receptive, then all bodes well....

 

[JoeJr]

im thinking..... The British Super Team.

all of the best players from britan merged together to from a Super team.

we'll be up with XSV and leigon before ya know it

 

[Dark Warrior]

im thinking..... The British Super Team.

all of the best players from britan merged together to from a Super team.

we'll be up with XSV and leigon before ya know it

Then they would get too good (or too old) and leave and there would not be any players good enough to fill there shoes, like in most british sport.

 

[JoeJr]

Then they would get too good (or too old) and leave and there would not be any players good enough to fill there shoes, like in most british sport.

suppose so but if the team got really good people would actually WANT to play for them

 

[Magic_8ball]

im thinking..... The British Super Team.

all of the best players from britan merged together to from a Super team.

we'll be up with XSV and leigon before ya know it

Yeah, thats Nexus, any new ideas?

 

[JoeJr]

nope

 

[Robbo]

im thinking..... The British Super Team.

all of the best players from britan merged together to from a Super team.

we'll be up with XSV and leigon before ya know it

Ain't gonna work - we could get the best 9 or so players from Shock, Kelly's or whoever and success still isn't assured.
And here I am defining success as 'mixing it with the big boys in the US'.

The best we had to offer couldn't hack it in the US, no way, that has been proven already, especially now.
To spawn a team who could compete would need a cherry picking pool of about 500 players (real players i.e. real tourney ballers) and this would give rise to say 20 players who would provide a cauldron of talent from which to choose a team.
Once that team is selected, they all have to possess the right mindset as well as talent and then they need a coach who knows what he's doing.

And then the process really begins, and it's a road that is about one year long.

Any other scenario will not promise success.