Brit Future

[Hoodless ECI]

I think pulling in coaches at the moment would be the wrong thing to do.
what the NQ have going at the moment is truly brilliant.
walking on,paying FAIR prices, and playing a damn good day of ball. with genuine pro player's and nice guy's around that DO talk to you, and give advice and have a laugh.

i believe we need more of these types of establishment's. It's a real advert for younger/newer player's to dive into the world of tournement paintball.
By doing this current player's can hone their skill's, teams can train and young blood can be siphoned into the scene of paintball.

I would open a site exactly like the NQ, But i don't have £20k under my bed.
Maybe taking a different approach, through local council's, contacting college's/Uni's/School's to begin the attraction.

An added bonus of having sites like this means we would also have a sturdy ground to base tournement's at dotted around the UK.

Balloon

 

[WEEBLE1]

Robbo ?

What are you compelling thoughts, o great wise one ? LOL

 

[NinthWizard]

I think pulling in coaches at the moment would be the wrong thing to do.
what the NQ have going at the moment is truly brilliant.
walking on,paying FAIR prices, and playing a damn good day of ball. with genuine pro player's and nice guy's around that DO talk to you, and give advice and have a laugh.

i believe we need more of these types of establishment's. It's a real advert for younger/newer player's to dive into the world of tournement paintball.
By doing this current player's can hone their skill's, teams can train and young blood can be siphoned into the scene of paintball.

I would open a site exactly like the NQ, But i don't have £20k under my bed.
Maybe taking a different approach, through local council's, contacting college's/Uni's/School's to begin the attraction.

An added bonus of having sites like this means we would also have a sturdy ground to base tournement's at dotted around the UK.

Balloon

Your right NQ is amazing i just wish there was more of the same.

 

[Exile]

Take for example LIPS *London International Paint Supplies*

They do deals on teams for paint, and equipment, becasue they know that by doing this, their takings overall will go up, as a 'favour' commands rewards, ie, the better you treat your 'customers' *teams*, the more moohlah they will spend.....


so, it isn't a bad idea to give 'numpty' teams a fair deal on paint, is it....



And another thing,

The 'numpty' team members who MAY read this thread, will probably agree with my points, so let folk play, how they wanna play....I agree with some points made, but avidly disagree with others.

LiPS run their "sponsorship" programme to further their economic strategy - as they should (and btw, they are amongst the few nice guys in PB imo). I'm reffering to larger players like DYE/NPS/WDP and Planet investing in the future Pro's and building brand loyalty - just like Nike/Reebok/Adidas etc. do.

Giving this team a discount on paint just means I'm not making so much money off them and they in turn don't have to spend so much - they already spent a lot getting to the tournament, paying entry fees, accomodation and such. This is simple deal - They pay less for my paint, but buy more of it since it's the only paint they're buying = in long run I earn more because I'm selling more paint to them, also other teams who are not sponsored buy it because it's quality paint. That's a positive thing for the business as opposed to me taking the cash I have in my wallet to pay for your coaches.

You're trying to convince me that a team having regular training sessions is a dedicated one. But you're arguing it by telling me that you'll be gracious enough to move your butt out to the field for a session with a coach I paid for, as I understand it. I would have to be in a serious mental condition to do that and shouldn't be really running a company in such a state.

If you want to show dedication - start organising training sessions at reball centres. If you have any left in your viccinity, that is, as I heard of at least one close down due to lack of customers.

You miss my point entirely (or are ignoring it deliberately) - How the hell does a team that plays the NSPL or Masters once a month show more dedication than a team that trains constantly and displays those skills in Major events?
Reffering to my point with Weeble, if the real big hitters in sport sponsor/subsidise training clinics etc. then why shouldn't Paintball companies? Surely building grass-roots loyalty (esp. with the up-and-coming players) is better long term business sense?

Oh, and I don't need to show my dedication - I'm retired. I paid my dues, loyally supported my sponsors and devoted several years of my life and a vast propotion of my meagre earnings to my team and helping others whenever possible (yes Weeble - even numpty teams - I wanted them to get better so they couldn't be called numpties anymore).
I'd just like to see others with the same drive and dedication I once had given the opportunities they work so hard for and deserve (in my humble opinion).

 

[Markie C]

Here we go.....

First thing is i think we need to sort every thing in house before we go about TV deals and media exposure......

One of the main problems i think we have is this so called sponsorship thing we hear a lot about ?????????

WHY WHY WHY....

Newbies coming in to the sport think that the paintball companies and sites have a endless supply of money to dish out to any team that picks up a spyder...

why is this because every one talks about it....

We don't offer sponsorship we offer a support package were we help with green fee costs and cheaper paint so on....

but we don't tell players teams we can sponsor them cause we cant simple....

Players before getting in to the sport should realize that it is expensive and that nothing comes for free then i think that would nip all this crap in the bud...

On to the players that can afford it...

how much can you get a cheep box of paint now for 20 quid ??????

that's 2000 snap shoots you can practice or what ever......

Some one said before we have the mentality of this one up on each other thing and if that doesn't stop then we are going no wear people we are just going to go round and round till it all implodes on its self.......

We need structured training hings like the robbo thing and twizz, he is a super guy and would help any one out...

We try to do our best but i think some times its not enough for what we need to achieve as a country....

We have things in the pipe line of what we want to do next year for training with having a ballers academy were you have to train its not about games its just training and skills but how many players will come to it ????????

How many players will say that "yes i need It get better i want to train" not just sit by a PC and talk a good game well we shall see.

But props to joy for there efforts this season.....i think that they should be a roll model for all of us if you want the to stand on that podium....

then get some game...

peace out....

 

[Buddha 3]

Well although some parts of that is true on the finance bit, I disagree with others.

Where im at the closest place to me for re-ball training is what like 2-3 hours drive away, the local pb park is 10 mins.

So by the time u factor in fuel costs, i end up paying the same no matter what, so yea its all about finances for some of us, im a student and its rarely i have the spare money to do something paintball related - and when i do get that £30-£40 around, I dont want to realy spend it on a day of training unless theres somewhere special to go and do it for a good reason, when I do get the money id rather have some fun so I go punter-hunting.

Don't get me wrong I would LOVE to go and train every couple of weeks with some pro's but I seriously just couldnt afford it. I mean the worst thing this month was finding out that I wont have the money to go to the Robbo clinic, so please, such a statement about re-ball training isnt exactly fair, as still a lot of people dont have it viably available to them

Ever heard of carpooling? Does nobody else in your team live close to you?
Even if you have to make the drive on your own, it's still worth it. If you pay that amount on paint, it'll run out eventually. Which, the way most teams train, would mean the end of the session for you. However, using reballs, you can keep training way past the point where your paint would have been all used up... Simple really.
So when you think about it, the real problem seems to be you rather driving for 10 minutes instead of 2 hours. That's unfortunately not the kind of mentality that'll get you places.

 

[Tommeh]

I doubt the level of paintball will rise in this country, until we get rid of the many self obsessed tournament series, and all play in one league. A league that everyone has a chance to play at every level, and for a prize that means something to everyone.

that would improve lower level teams get better i think.

 

[Fisz]

You miss my point entirely (or are ignoring it deliberately) - How the hell does a team that plays the NSPL or Masters once a month show more dedication than a team that trains constantly and displays those skills in Major events?
Reffering to my point with Weeble, if the real big hitters in sport sponsor/subsidise training clinics etc. then why shouldn't Paintball companies? Surely building grass-roots loyalty (esp. with the up-and-coming players) is better long term business sense?

Oh, and I don't need to show my dedication - I'm retired. I paid my dues, loyally supported my sponsors and devoted several years of my life and a vast propotion of my meagre earnings to my team and helping others whenever possible (yes Weeble - even numpty teams - I wanted them to get better so they couldn't be called numpties anymore).
I'd just like to see others with the same drive and dedication I once had given the opportunities they work so hard for and deserve (in my humble opinion).

I'm ignoring it deliberately. The reason for this is that what you propose is not aimed at teams that are competing or going to compete in major events, but at people who are playing recreational speedball. There's no point in throwing cash support at them since they're not showing that they are willing to work hard and sacrifice a lot to get better.

I'm all for supporting people who go out there and try to improve themselves, people who help other get better, guys and girls who even though they don't have a bazilion pounds/dollars/euros in their account are out there trying to compete and want something more (and that doesn't necessarily means free equipment). I would gladly support such people. But for that to happen, I'd have to be sure that my investment in them is a good thing to do. If there are 6 steps that seperate a recreational player from a dedicated tournament player, I would meet them half way there.

I hope now you understand my stance on the whole topic.

I'm also trying to warn you, that looking into someone's (paintball companies) wallets for funding is not a nice thing to do. Companies who decide to sponsor teams/events do it because:
a. they feel it will help their business
b. want to help their loyal customers
c. are in a good mood

Telling them: You should support UK Paintball by giving us money so we can become better players, is like going to the bank and saying: I've got nothing, give me money so I can buy something... You will fail.

Telling the industry people what they should or shouldn't do with their money is not a good idea.

BTW, by saying you, I'm not necessarily talking about you particularly. Don't take this so personal.

 

[Exile]

I'm ignoring it deliberately. The reason for this is that what you propose is not aimed at teams that are competing or going to compete in major events, but at people who are playing recreational speedball. There's no point in throwing cash support at them since they're not showing that they are willing to work hard and sacrifice a lot to get better.

I'm all for supporting people who go out there and try to improve themselves, people who help other get better, guys and girls who even though they don't have a bazilion pounds/dollars/euros in their account are out there trying to compete and want something more (and that doesn't necessarily means free equipment). I would gladly support such people. But for that to happen, I'd have to be sure that my investment in them is a good thing to do. If there are 6 steps that seperate a recreational player from a dedicated tournament player, I would meet them half way there.

I hope now you understand my stance on the whole topic.

I'm also trying to warn you, that looking into someone's (paintball companies) wallets for funding is not a nice thing to do. Companies who decide to sponsor teams/events do it because:
a. they feel it will help their business
b. want to help their loyal customers
c. are in a good mood

Telling them: You should support UK Paintball by giving us money so we can become better players, is like going to the bank and saying: I've got nothing, give me money so I can buy something... You will fail.

Telling the industry people what they should or shouldn't do with their money is not a good idea.

BTW, by saying you, I'm not necessarily talking about you particularly. Don't take this so personal.

No offence taken - it's the internet. Even if I win, I'm still retarded

You do appear to have completely misunderstood me however - having full-time coaches for those who wish to train and improve (what I am suggesting) is completely the opposite of the Rec-Speedballer market you seem to think I'm aiming at.

I'm also not advocating giving players anything - except access to a paid, professional coaching staff. I was merely suggesting that PB companies sponsor the coaches/training sessions and certainly not the players. Personally I am actually of the mind that far too many teams are given "sponsorship" without actually earning it and if I've given any other impression, then I apologise.

I am fully aware of the Paintball industries resilience to new ideas/ways to allocate any sponsorship $$$ they may wish to write off D) but it never hurts to re-iterate a proven (in other sports) idea, maybe one day someone will actually try it?

 

[Fisz]

No offence taken - it's the internet. Even if I win, I'm still retarded

You do appear to have completely misunderstood me however - having full-time coaches for those who wish to train and improve (what I am suggesting) is completely the opposite of the Rec-Speedballer market you seem to think I'm aiming at.

I'm also not advocating giving players anything - except access to a paid, professional coaching staff. I was merely suggesting that PB companies sponsor the coaches/training sessions and certainly not the players. Personally I am actually of the mind that far too many teams are given "sponsorship" without actually earning it and if I've given any other impression, then I apologise.

I am fully aware of the Paintball industries resilience to new ideas/ways to allocate any sponsorship $$$ they may wish to write off D) but it never hurts to re-iterate a proven (in other sports) idea, maybe one day someone will actually try it?

It seems that I have been in error.

I completely agree with you that supporting the dedicated players by allowing them to train with professionals, is a good idea. From my experience, it works great, as I have seen large improvement from teams that invest in having a pro (or almost pro) player coach them. I myself had the distinct pleasure of taking part in a training session run by a russian semi-pro player who happens to play for Instinct Gemoss (that's a team who had a few run-ins with the Bullets for 1st place in the Centurio Circuit this year) and it has taught me a lot about how to improve my game and I only hope I will be able to use that knowledge. I also know that this year's CC M5 winners also have a russian (or eastern) coach who helped them become better players.

I'm Polish, and I live in my native country. There's 3 outdoor speedball fields and one indoor place available to the public - That's in a country populated by 38 million people. Teams who don't have easy access to those venues organise their training on their own - some own inflatable fields they set up to run drills, others rent a gym to train in there. Almost everyone makes use of the only reball centre that runs in the capital during the winter (traveling takes from 40 minutes if you live there up to 3-4 hours if you're located far away). We have 2 domestic leagues (3man and 5man) available to everyone, with events spread out all over the place and almost no independent speedball events. Some guys play just for fun, some want to compete. But every year the level of play is noticeably going up as experience gained by teams who take part in the Centurio/Millennium events is being applied by players in those domestic leagues.

It's been nice trading blows with you. If you want to chat, hit me up on Skype or send me a PM.