Really dont go here because you will lose big time.....lol....
If you want a container 20 pallets aweek it can be done....2 pallets is nothing...240 boxes
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Really dont go here because you will lose big time.....lol....
If you want a container 20 pallets aweek it can be done....2 pallets is nothing...240 boxes
James - Mark has just shown you the difference between amateurs and professionals.
Take that as a lesson well learned.
Take that as a lesson well learned.
paint is hard because its run through sh*te guns, paint is sh*te because its cheap, and your average punter doesnt know the difference.
your also forgetting that the money made from paint doesnt all go on paying for only the paint, it covers most of the other things that have to be paid for (and theres a lot more than you'd imagine).
if youve played before and want the site your playing at to get some better paint, give them a call a week or two before hand and say that youll pay the extra for better paint... it doesnt really make that much difference to them, they pick it up from the same supplier.
not defending site paint at all, ive shot paint at trees and seen it bounce
but when youve got an ministry of paintball group, that dont pay a game fee and get 100 paint free, your already down money... eg if your game fee is £10 for a full day, and the first 100 would cost £6, you have to sell 300 balls (£18) before you start making the money you should have been making all along... that make sense?
your also forgetting that the money made from paint doesnt all go on paying for only the paint, it covers most of the other things that have to be paid for (and theres a lot more than you'd imagine).
if youve played before and want the site your playing at to get some better paint, give them a call a week or two before hand and say that youll pay the extra for better paint... it doesnt really make that much difference to them, they pick it up from the same supplier.
not defending site paint at all, ive shot paint at trees and seen it bounce
but when youve got an ministry of paintball group, that dont pay a game fee and get 100 paint free, your already down money... eg if your game fee is £10 for a full day, and the first 100 would cost £6, you have to sell 300 balls (£18) before you start making the money you should have been making all along... that make sense?
You should have seen some of the paint at staargate, had paint fired at me that bounced off my mask!!
The original post was a comment about the paint used at Delta Force.
As part of my job, I go to suppliers premises and test paint for Delta Force. This is usually a full day per week, testing anything up to 30 batches of paint. We have a manager in the north who does the same up there.
We use about 20 pallets of paint per week and we use 3, or sometimes 4, main UK suppliers, the same guys who sponsor UK tourney teams month in month out.
When we select our paint it's not a case of 'take it it's cheap'. We test for how bouncy / how fragile it is, we measure the size and shape of the paint (pole/seam measurements/ dmples etc) take the temperature of the paint, and in winter we allow the paint to cool before testing so it's at the temperature it will be when it's used (within reason). When possible we test fire the paint as well, although some suppliers have an issue with mess and noise at their premises.
If a batch is too 'hard' (ie bouncy) we reject it. Same with all the other factors. I have often selected higher priced paint because the cheaper paint is not up to standard.
Paint is rarely stored for more than a week at any DF centre as we have such a high paint turnover. We have heated paint stores at our centres to keep the paint warm in winter. Keeping it cool in summer is more of a problem but the paint stores are insulated and have fans to circulate the air.
Transportation between supplier and sites can be a problem as most companies use pallet services to deliver, whose lorries are not temperature controlled. They load up on a Wednesday afternoon and deliver to the centres on a Thursday. This means it sits up to 24 hours in the cold, after just coming out of a 20 degree heated warehouse, then it's back in the warm at the centre. This is not good for paint and can cause it to dimple.
Incidentally, by the box prices at DF are £5 per 100 not £6 per 100.
As part of my job, I go to suppliers premises and test paint for Delta Force. This is usually a full day per week, testing anything up to 30 batches of paint. We have a manager in the north who does the same up there.
We use about 20 pallets of paint per week and we use 3, or sometimes 4, main UK suppliers, the same guys who sponsor UK tourney teams month in month out.
When we select our paint it's not a case of 'take it it's cheap'. We test for how bouncy / how fragile it is, we measure the size and shape of the paint (pole/seam measurements/ dmples etc) take the temperature of the paint, and in winter we allow the paint to cool before testing so it's at the temperature it will be when it's used (within reason). When possible we test fire the paint as well, although some suppliers have an issue with mess and noise at their premises.
If a batch is too 'hard' (ie bouncy) we reject it. Same with all the other factors. I have often selected higher priced paint because the cheaper paint is not up to standard.
Paint is rarely stored for more than a week at any DF centre as we have such a high paint turnover. We have heated paint stores at our centres to keep the paint warm in winter. Keeping it cool in summer is more of a problem but the paint stores are insulated and have fans to circulate the air.
Transportation between supplier and sites can be a problem as most companies use pallet services to deliver, whose lorries are not temperature controlled. They load up on a Wednesday afternoon and deliver to the centres on a Thursday. This means it sits up to 24 hours in the cold, after just coming out of a 20 degree heated warehouse, then it's back in the warm at the centre. This is not good for paint and can cause it to dimple.
Incidentally, by the box prices at DF are £5 per 100 not £6 per 100.
Weather not that bad?
My original post was not aimed at the prices, although admittedly I did comment about them , just disapointed at the state of the paint. It sounds like from Gups post that DF do make an effort to store paint properly but are let down throughout the supply chain, i.e. the delivery lorries, but saying that the weather hasn't exactly been that cold until the last couple of days has it really.
I would say that the general temp leading up to the day I played was pretty good day and night (i.e. not cold at night not too warm during the day), so find it hard to understand how that could be the reason the paint degraded since it's purchase from the supplier?
My original post was not aimed at the prices, although admittedly I did comment about them
, just disapointed at the state of the paint. It sounds like from Gups post that DF do make an effort to store paint properly but are let down throughout the supply chain, i.e. the delivery lorries, but saying that the weather hasn't exactly been that cold until the last couple of days has it really.I would say that the general temp leading up to the day I played was pretty good day and night (i.e. not cold at night not too warm during the day), so find it hard to understand how that could be the reason the paint degraded since it's purchase from the supplier?
night cat is made in Ireland by hovid,it also comes in ignite boxes.It is one of the cheapest field paints on the market.