Is Reunification still in the cards?
- Thread starter Baca Loco
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At this point, neither NPPL nor PSP use teams for reffing. While that's certainly eliminated calls of "I lost because the reffing team doesn't like me", it's done nothing to impact the cheating.
I also don't agree with the need for the refs to stop the game. Refs don't stop the game for football, the other football, hockey... penalties are assessed during the natural game breaks.
I suppose if you had a multi-point format, any major penalty gives the point to the other team..
I also don't agree with the need for the refs to stop the game. Refs don't stop the game for football, the other football, hockey... penalties are assessed during the natural game breaks.
I suppose if you had a multi-point format, any major penalty gives the point to the other team..
yes, they do; the assignements may not be by 'team', but many of the referees are still associated with teams and have 'friends' they might officiate at various events. (the most recent accusations of 'giving-love' against Boogie on smacktalk serve as examples)
refs don't stop the game in hockey? excuse me? soccer does get stopped as well, but not in the conventional sense - and you can't use a special case to make the point either, as it is clear from the vast majority of other examples that stopping play is a necessary component of a 'sport'.
from FIFA: "A dropped ball is a way of restarting the match after a temporary stoppage that becomes necessary, while the ball is in play, for any reason not mentioned elsewhere in the Laws of the Game." (highlighting mine)
"A dropped ball to restart the match after play has been temporarily stopped inside the goal area takes place on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the ball was located when play was stopped."
"Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through:
substitution(s);
assessment of injury to players;
removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment;
wasting time;
any other cause." (one wonders why time has to be added to the match if it were not 'lost' during the match...)
"If a penalty kick has to be taken or retaken, the duration of either half is extended until the penalty kick is completed."
Soccer handles game stops differently - by extending the game time (something emminently adaptable to X-Ball) but it serves the same function as 'stopping the clock' - time has stood still during the infraction and is appended to the back-end of the period.
A similar method is applied by NASCAR in the form of the yellow flag; instead of stopping the clock, time stands still. I only raise NASCAR because that's the other favorite argument by people who have not really delved into the matter.
Control of game time is essential to any sport, and some form of game stoppage is essential to the application and enforcement of the rules.
This can take the form of 'timeless' games (no clock is running so there is plenty of time to 'pause' and adjust things), turn-based games (following, and even during, each turn or portion of a turn there is an opportunity to halt and adjust), and every other form.
A perfect example of the importance of time control is the simple game of hide-and-go-seek: every child is keen to listen to the seeker's countdown and jumps immediately on short counts as being 'cheating'. There's no official rules, no referees, no money at stake, but the player's naturally recognize the importance of the time component as being required for the fair completion of the game. Short-counters are forced to 'do-over' until they get it right. In fact, the game is impossible to play if the 'proper' (admittedly variable) amount of time is not assigned to the countdown.
Somehow, I'm reminded of the word 'contrarian'...
refs don't stop the game in hockey? excuse me? soccer does get stopped as well, but not in the conventional sense - and you can't use a special case to make the point either, as it is clear from the vast majority of other examples that stopping play is a necessary component of a 'sport'.
from FIFA: "A dropped ball is a way of restarting the match after a temporary stoppage that becomes necessary, while the ball is in play, for any reason not mentioned elsewhere in the Laws of the Game." (highlighting mine)
"A dropped ball to restart the match after play has been temporarily stopped inside the goal area takes place on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the ball was located when play was stopped."
"Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through:
substitution(s);
assessment of injury to players;
removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment;
wasting time;
any other cause." (one wonders why time has to be added to the match if it were not 'lost' during the match...)
"If a penalty kick has to be taken or retaken, the duration of either half is extended until the penalty kick is completed."
Soccer handles game stops differently - by extending the game time (something emminently adaptable to X-Ball) but it serves the same function as 'stopping the clock' - time has stood still during the infraction and is appended to the back-end of the period.
A similar method is applied by NASCAR in the form of the yellow flag; instead of stopping the clock, time stands still. I only raise NASCAR because that's the other favorite argument by people who have not really delved into the matter.
Control of game time is essential to any sport, and some form of game stoppage is essential to the application and enforcement of the rules.
This can take the form of 'timeless' games (no clock is running so there is plenty of time to 'pause' and adjust things), turn-based games (following, and even during, each turn or portion of a turn there is an opportunity to halt and adjust), and every other form.
A perfect example of the importance of time control is the simple game of hide-and-go-seek: every child is keen to listen to the seeker's countdown and jumps immediately on short counts as being 'cheating'. There's no official rules, no referees, no money at stake, but the player's naturally recognize the importance of the time component as being required for the fair completion of the game. Short-counters are forced to 'do-over' until they get it right. In fact, the game is impossible to play if the 'proper' (admittedly variable) amount of time is not assigned to the countdown.
Somehow, I'm reminded of the word 'contrarian'...
Soccer and hockey ONLY stop the game if the penalty requires a change in control. For example, in Hockey, if you commit a foul, the game continues until your team gets the puck, then part of the penalty is you lose possession. But the game doesn't stop as long as the 'victim' team has possession (or possession is neutral).
Football doesn't stop the game at all. They wait until the playing is gone and THEN assess the penalties.
The other problem here is you're looking at sports that, absent penalties, would continue straight for 15, 30, 45 minutes, and also sports that have a 'central' object like a ball or a puck, and a concept of possession. Pantball isn't like that - there are natural breaks in the game every 30-210 seconds or so, and nobody is 'in possession' of anything.
There is simply no reason that the game as to be routinely stopped to assess penalties, as long as you have qualified officials.
Assesing a penalty takes, what, a few seconds? And you want to take a paintball game, stop it, assess the penalty, then restart it again? That's ridiculous - your solution is more disruptive than the problem.
Football doesn't stop the game at all. They wait until the playing is gone and THEN assess the penalties.
The other problem here is you're looking at sports that, absent penalties, would continue straight for 15, 30, 45 minutes, and also sports that have a 'central' object like a ball or a puck, and a concept of possession. Pantball isn't like that - there are natural breaks in the game every 30-210 seconds or so, and nobody is 'in possession' of anything.
There is simply no reason that the game as to be routinely stopped to assess penalties, as long as you have qualified officials.
Assesing a penalty takes, what, a few seconds? And you want to take a paintball game, stop it, assess the penalty, then restart it again? That's ridiculous - your solution is more disruptive than the problem.
I'm supposed to be going out with Sergey tonight (if it all gets worked out) so I will ask him what his blueprint for action is and let y'all know because it might be worth listening to what he has to say because he is as independent as they come.
I realize he is a Smart Parts team but I'm afraid political consideration, ass licking, brown nosing and finally blowing smoke up anybody's ass are never on his agenda, he's a straight talking, no nonsense guy who has an extremely intelligent insight in what needs to be done and also has that same intelligent insight when it comes to assessing the machinations and complexities of what all these guys have been doing as of late as they struggle to run their respective leagues.
I shall get a view from him and if I don't get too drunk I will try and remember what he says so as to post it up here.
I realize he is a Smart Parts team but I'm afraid political consideration, ass licking, brown nosing and finally blowing smoke up anybody's ass are never on his agenda, he's a straight talking, no nonsense guy who has an extremely intelligent insight in what needs to be done and also has that same intelligent insight when it comes to assessing the machinations and complexities of what all these guys have been doing as of late as they struggle to run their respective leagues.
I shall get a view from him and if I don't get too drunk I will try and remember what he says so as to post it up here.
As it happens Lane, you are one of the few guys I would love to tag along to meet him as I think people like you, Camille, and Baca would benefit from his insight, coz sure as sh1t, the people in power don't wanna listen and I trust his counsel more than anyone else's.
But if you did come mate, I think the cab ride back to Atlanta may be a bit costly.
Pete.
When you not "too" cool to call me back, let me know how the coversation went. I'm always very interested in what Sergi has to say.
Rocky
When you not "too" cool to call me back, let me know how the coversation went. I'm always very interested in what Sergi has to say.
Rocky
Just got back Rock (1.08am), am tired and need my beauty sleep and I just had 4 hours of brain bashing with the Red Baron , will call you tomorrow mate.
PS, We went to a weird as restaurant called the Archipelago (he picked it not me) and I just had crocodile meat for the first time ever and when I ordered it, I told the waitress to 'make it snappy'...the joke was lost on her unfortunately since she was Polish but I laughed, in fact I think I was the only who did... as for what crocodile tasted like?
No surprise really in the fact it tasted a bit like chicken.
Sergey had wild boar, the menu had some weird ass sh!t on it and I gotta say (and I can coz I picked up the bill) the stuff tasted cr@p and I much prefer me pie mash or me mum's stew and all that poncey posh stuff is just that, poncey and posh, and frikkin expensive may I add.
Yup, we're everywhere
Snappy... You should have told her to "make it schnappi" or asked her if she can tell you the joke about a ZOMO officer who went to Egypt to get crocodile shoes for his wife.