Vintage, Rare Banners: Angel, Belsales, KAPP, WGP, etc. ***Live thread, Check Back Often***

[Commander_mos_pb_boutique]

Hey guys, this thread will be dedicated to the rare, vintage banners. There's a lot of stuff so check back often, we will continue to update it. We will have separate thread for the softgoods and Belsales leather bags. Here are some of the guidelines for this thread:

1. We are based out of the US, but we ship internationally to any country in western Europe. We cover half of the cost of shipping if you buy at least $300 GBP, and we cover the full cost of shipping if you spend $500 GBP (600€ Euros) We never ask anyone to cover PP fees.
2. We cover all PayPal fees.
3. We offer great bundle deals, as well as a buy three get one free for all Platinum Members. For the promo: The free item must be of equal or lesser value as the first three, but it doesnt matter the cost, even for the leather Belsales bags we offer this.
4. Any questions feel free to contact me at any time. We are well established on all US sites and we have hundreds upon hundreds of positive feedback. So buy with confidence.
5. All banners are $250 GBP, each (Or Best offer)

We will be updating the thread so check back often. Thanks for reading and looking

SECURITY CHECK FOR ITEMS ON HAND:

 

[James ECI]

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[Commander_mos_pb_boutique]

@James ECI Seriously did all my posts get deleted? You guys run this place like absolute ****. Over zealous morons. Like the guy needing help with a spyder hand-me-down with a missing rear assembly and you guys closed his thread cause a guy offered parts. I mean how ****ing moronic. No wonder this place is dead

 

[James ECI]

@James ECI Seriously did all my posts get deleted? You guys run this place like absolute ****. Over zealous morons. Like the guy needing help with a spyder hand-me-down with a missing rear assembly and you guys closed his thread cause a guy offered parts. I mean how ****ing moronic. No wonder this place is dead

Im not a mod here.... i was actually just asking a price but then saw it in the first post

 

[Commander_mos_pb_boutique]

Im not a mod here.... i was actually just asking a price but then saw it in the first post

ok sorry, then. Friendly fire. Must be another genius mod. In any case, we’re always flexible on prices, and we have quite a few Angel promotional stuff. A lot of the posts with pics got deleted. Feel free to browse through my ebay listings, we also have Belsales leather bags, Bunkerking and Angel headgear, vintage promotional stuff— if anything catches your eye, I can produce pictures with a security check as per site rules, but as mentioned in my OP: we’re well established on all US sites:

 

[Bolter]

@James ECI Seriously did all my posts get deleted? You guys run this place like absolute ****. Over zealous morons. Like the guy needing help with a spyder hand-me-down with a missing rear assembly and you guys closed his thread cause a guy offered parts. I mean how ****ing moronic. No wonder this place is dead

Well apologies good sir for enforcing the rules that we have in place that you didnt adhere to. Insulting one of our long standing members, when he has nothing to do with the moderating of this site, extra classy.

In our PMs you mention a new wave of scammers on PB forums. Then you circumvent the rules, that were put in place, and all agreed on by the members a long time ago, to try to make things very hard for the scammers.

What would you have us do Max? Just let you not follow the rules? Or open stuff up for a free for all? What exactly were you expecting? This is our house, there are house rules.

 

[Tony Harrison]

I was going to make a comment about not getting paid £250 each for banners that were given out free, but then I remembered that I'm a moron on a dead forum.

 

[Commander_mos_pb_boutique]

Please feel free to delete the thread @Bolter

@Tony Harrison, 1)These banners werent given to me for free, and 2) thats their market value now. Whether you see the value in it or not personally, is subjective.

You guys should depend on PayPal more — theres only so much you can do as moderators on a forum to prevent fraud or scammers. Rely on the buyer protection services from PayPal, thats why sellers pay fees. Ultimately, if you choose to have classifieds on here, you should ease up a bit. I'm not saying you shouldnt enforce rules and precautions as you have, but there are instances where it’s not so black and white. For instance, the other day you closed some guy's thread that needed help with a Spyder missing a rear assembly, simply because some guy offered parts and asked to message directly. As for me, I introduced myself in the "Talk to Mods" subforum, I showed you my inventory, I linked my feedback on the other sites, etc, posted a ton of inventory to show I’m not a scammer — you guys cant be so 2-dimensional with the rules. It's ridiculous. And I have so many items that honestly, it’s much more efficient to use my ebay pictures instead of retaking pics for every item here. Im not going to post my name and picture for every single little thing I post. I simply dont have the time. I’m not saying I’m above the rules, but at the same time I went above and beyond in my due diligence posting feedback and a lot of inventoy in the Talk To Mods thread (with my name and the date), as I mentioned. And most importantly, one of my listing rules is that I never ask anyone to gift. That is perhaps the biggest takeaway here. No scammer on the selling end deals through PayPal seller services. And that should be the takeaway. Tons of forums have classifieds and this is how classifieds work. Mods set rules and guidelines but ultimately the sites emphasize that 1) all deals be done via PayPal (unless its a local deal) — and 2) never gift payments or use cash apps that don’t provide buyers with protection in case something goes wrong. That’s the way its done these days. Direct messaging is 100% permitted. It makes no difference. Guess what? Someone could post a pic of an item with their name and date and that doesn’t necessarily mean the seller is legit. The same seller could still try a scam by asking a buyer to gift a payment, etc. And buyers can always pull scams by opening false claims on PayPal. And whether the deal and conversation is done privately is 100% irrelevant. Again, there’s only so much you can do. But ultimately, the site has to rely on buyer protection services by the likes of PayPal. And if someone is asking for parts to compete a hand-me-down Spyder — for ****’s sakes let the users offer parts.

 

[Commander_mos_pb_boutique]

Look this is the poor guy's thread, he didnt even post in the tech troubles, he posted in the Advice section:

Looking for Spyder AMG parts/advice

Hey everyone, I’ve recently inherited a classic. I now have in my possession a Spyder AMG LCD, but it’s missing a few parts and could use some tlc. Does anyone have anything laying around that they are willing to part with? Also open to any advice on where to find parts, as this thing is...

p8ntballer-forums.com

Then you guys closed his thread cause some guy offered parts and asked to be direct messaged. I mean, this is absolutely moronic. What difference does it make if its direct messaging or public? That doesnt prevent scams one way or another. You have to rely on third party payment systems that offer buyers protection and this is what you should emphasize. There are tons of sites on the internet with classifieds and this is the very first time I see such moronic nonsense. Every deal should be permitted ot be done through direct messaging. what people should not be doing is sending payment as gifts or using cash apps that offer no buyer protection. The guy obviously needed help. This is an example of when one must exercise some judgement. This is a prime example of how/when you should ease up and let people use your platform unecumbered with rules that do little to prevent fraud or scams and do everything to prevent the intended purpose of a paintball forum in the first place. Especially a guy that needs help with a hand-me-down. Thats like the whole purpose of this forum, no? To bring people together for the love of the sport. But I digress. Feel free to delete my thread

 

[Bolter]

Please feel free to delete the thread @Bolter

@Tony Harrison, 1)These banners werent given to me for free, and 2) thats their market value now. Whether you see the value in it or not personally, is subjective.

You guys should depend on PayPal more — theres only so much you can do as moderators on a forum to prevent fraud or scammers. Rely on the buyer protection services from PayPal, thats why sellers pay fees. Ultimately, if you choose to have classifieds on here, you should ease up a bit. I'm not saying you shouldnt enforce rules and precautions as you have, but there are instances where it’s not so black and white. For instance, the other day you closed some guy's thread that needed help with a Spyder missing a rear assembly, simply because some guy offered parts and asked to message directly. As for me, I introduced myself in the "Talk to Mods" subforum, I showed you my inventory, I linked my feedback on the other sites, etc, posted a ton of inventory to show I’m not a scammer — you guys cant be so 2-dimensional with the rules. It's ridiculous. And I have so many items that honestly, it’s much more efficient to use my ebay pictures instead of retaking pics for every item here. Im not going to post my name and picture for every single little thing I post. I simply dont have the time. I’m not saying I’m above the rules, but at the same time I went above and beyond in my due diligence posting feedback and a lot of inventoy in the Talk To Mods thread (with my name and the date), as I mentioned. And most importantly, one of my listing rules is that I never ask anyone to gift. That is perhaps the biggest takeaway here. No scammer on the selling end deals through PayPal seller services. And that should be the takeaway. Tons of forums have classifieds and this is how classifieds work. Mods set rules and guidelines but ultimately the sites emphasize that 1) all deals be done via PayPal (unless its a local deal) — and 2) never gift payments or use cash apps that don’t provide buyers with protection in case something goes wrong. That’s the way its done these days. Direct messaging is 100% permitted. It makes no difference. Guess what? Someone could post a pic of an item with their name and date and that doesn’t necessarily mean the seller is legit. The same seller could still try a scam by asking a buyer to gift a payment, etc. And buyers can always pull scams by opening false claims on PayPal. And whether the deal and conversation is done privately is 100% irrelevant. Again, there’s only so much you can do. But ultimately, the site has to rely on buyer protection services by the likes of PayPal. And if someone is asking for parts to compete a hand-me-down Spyder — for ****’s sakes let the users offer parts.

the takeaway here is you arent welcome any more, and personally for someone who came here throwing the Gibb name around, Im pretty sure they would not conduct themselves like you have. If you dont like the rules, then jog on pal.