I wasn’t too sure about posting this but seeing as mr hoof took the time out to compose his diatribe, the least I could do was to rebut it / him.
My apologies for the length of this post but if you’ve been reading this thread, you’ve already gotten used to my extravagant use of words and one other thing, if you don't like insults, veiled or otherwise or indeed blasphemy, this post may not be to your liking … anyway, here goes:-
I think mr hoof just pulls up short of an actual defence of barnett but I think he must be awarwe of the sheer scale of the monies owed and the people barnett has screwed, which troubles me a bit because he [hoof] takes a time-out to join our site and then posts in a thread that he hasn't obviously fully read.
This is a pretty reckless thing to do if you wish to be taken seriously or not to look a fool …. As far as I can discern, he fails both.
I really don't give two flying phuks whether he's a chairman, secretary or whatever, and I'm not altogether sure what relevance they have here other than an attempt to impress .... you do not need any business acumen to work out what's been going on here - all you need is an open mind, the ability to read and then to process the information responsibly, it's not rocket-science, just needs a bit of common-sense that's all.
Looking at your first post, I can't really see the relevance of your points and they seem to be but facile observations from someone who doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about.
I do not mean to insult you in any way [/lied] but if you think that by telling us you have the chairmanship of some medium-sized company etc etc …[ yawn !!! ].. and that somehow justifies you in being so dismissive concerning the money Dave [Warfighters] got cheated out of, well, it doesn't justify or mitigate ... nowhere near.
That’s plain insulting.
I'm not sure if it's your command of English that makes you come across as a pompous ass but after reading some of the things you’ve come out with, I'm really struggling to take your post seriously ... you say the most preposterous of things and you’re so phukin ignorant about it all – I’ll example what I mean, you say ….
"Also I am a bit (lot) older than the average paintballer and in daily life I am a Chairman of the Board of a middle sized company. Without wanting to be posh I throw in my full seniority for the sake of my arguments. I hold the opinion, being a very "outside" man that I can make some observations which can't be made anymore by the participants of this thread. I hope to give you some insight on the effects of your writings"
I actually winced at some of these lines - You somehow believe that because you are older, and because you are the chairman of some medium sized company [yawn !!], it somehow enables you to possess an insight to what's been going on that the rest of us fail to appreciate ....that's just absurd and once again, it's insulting.
If you can tell me exactly what it is you see, that myself, and the rest of the guys who have posted in this thread, cannot see, then I'm listening ... fact is, you won’t have one damn thing of note, not one .. well, one that actually makes sense that is … you go on to say .. I'm pretty sure
I know Shoreline as a company because they first raised my interest in the UK scenario scene and I have played some of their events. Also quite recently because I attended the Afghan game only a fortnight ago and as such I have met mr. and mrs. Barnett and I think it's fair to say that we are acquainted now.
I would question that your particular 'acquaintance' with the barnetts hardly justifies you to say anything much past a rough idea of what they look like ... it doesn't qualify you to have an insight that the rest of us fail to grasp .... a lot of the guys who’ve posted here [if you’d bothered to actually read this thread] have had an awful lot of experience in dealing with barnett, his ex-partners, his business associates,, and many, many more all of whom have posted here … any sane man would take more note of them than anything you can say after a couple of ‘hellos’ and ‘goodbyes’ ….…
The points I want to make out to you are the following. 1) Nobody, not the serious businessman, is happy with what is happening in this blog/thread. It is bad for business and keeps away potential clients who don't want being torn in in any dispute. We don't want to hear it! Business differences are to be resolved discretely in order not to hurt the industry as a whole. For those of you participating in this blog but not being a business- but a salaryman, don't complain about the firm you wish to leave during a job interview. For that the same reasoning applies, It is not done and you leave a very bad impression on the firm you want to join.
I'm not sure if you are aware or not but barnett is but one promoter, and a very untrustworthy one at that, the UK has many, many other promoters, most of whom run great events and none of them, to my knowledge, have reported any adverse effect on their business because of this thread.
In fact, quite the reverse, and as to how you can suggest this thread has adversely affected what you term 'serious businessmen' is absolutely absurd, as to where you get your information from I have no idea but you either need to source relevant material or if you are gaining these ‘perspectives’ a priori then I’d seriously think about keeping your gob shut, you look an ignorant fool.
I speak to the vast majority of the promoters in the UK throughout the year - NOT ONE of them has told me this thread has hurt them, serious or otherwise.
A lot of those guys are friends of mine and so if there were a problem, I would be told ….. but I know one person who wouldn't be told ….. you !!!
And do you know why nobody would tell you anything?
It’s because you’re not relevant, you're not experienced enough in our industry and from what I’ve seen relating to the points you make, your powers of analysis suck like a Harley’s tail pipe.
And so, pardon me for electing to believe my friends rather than the rampant speculation you've just indulged yourself in.
As to the last two sentences of the paragraph above?
I'm struggling to make some sort of sense out of them but I've thrown the towel in on that one and just gasped and looked toward the heavens for redemption, they're nonsense :/
2) As such maybe because of this information you give, I would be cautious in striking a deal with Mr. Barnett or Shoreline but certainly I would not deal with any of you for sure! You disqualify yourselves as serious businessmen.
I take offence at this for several reasons not just because it's pompous crap and once again, ill-informed but because it’s insulting, phukin insulting.
How the phuk you can pass judgment on myself and the others in this thread and declare you wouldn't deal with any of us because your pompous ass disqualifies me and the rest of the guys as serious businessmen – you cheeky prihk, you don’t know me, you don’t know the relevant posters in this thread, you know nothing that qualified you to make any sort of judgement other than your own inflated sense of entitlement because as you tell us … you are the chairman of a medium sized company [yawn.. fuhkin yawn]
How dare you come on here and throw around insults like that ?
I'm wondering what you think qualifies you to pass any judgement on here regarding barnett or this thread's posters - I've never heard of you which basically means you are not in our industry, you are not in the media and so your opinion re this thread and it's participators is irrelevant.
You are a nothing more than a player with an ill-informed opinion - the web is full of such people., you are no different from any of them … oh sorry, I forgot to mention .. you are of course, the chairman of a medium sized company [yawn !!!]
3) When you go into business you must know that "you will win some and you will loose some." If you can't handle the loosing of some money whatever the cause I strongly reccommend you to find a job and leave all the direct risks with your employer. I have read a post here of someone losing GBP 800 of his wealth. I don't want to play the amount of money down but GBP 800 really is not an excuse to virtually burn someone at the stake, like you do.
As to this paragraph above?
How you managed to get that much crap out of your mouth is beyond me .. ... to say it's 'arrogant' is an astounding disservice, it's also an insult to the people who 800 quid means an awful lot - I'm sorry us poor Brits don't earn as much as the chairman of a medium sized company [yawn !!!] but we're just not as erudite or business savvy as yourself, and so as long as you keep letting us eat cake , I'm sure you and the Antoinettes will have an awful lot in common when talking to them, albeit through a medium :/
And I'd like to see you go up to Gino, who by the way, isn't some piddly little chairman of a medium sized company, and go tell him that if he can't handle
Ioosing [sic] sixty one grand then he should get out of paintball ... I'd like to see that :/
And when you’ve done that, come tell me to my face I’m not qualified to have an opinion on my own forum or indeed in this thread.
By the way, that’s not a threat, veiled or otherwise, it’s merely a statement of account …
4 ) Apart from hurting the Shoreline cause which is obviously the sole purpose of this blog I am certain that it also helps Shoreline. There is scientific evidence available that the general public will, psychologically, either go for the winning party or for the underdog. You people display yourselves as victims rather than winners here but certainly Shoreline can capitalize on the position as the underdog. The whole thing is really very, very amateurish PR with too much emotions and no evidence shown from either side.
'Scientific evidence' well, now you're talking .... oh .... oh my Lord, I'm soooo impressed it's
scientific evidence, I was getting worried there for a minute because I thought it might just be 'evidence' ....Well, let’s just take a look at your scientifically evidenced insight ..... in any thread of this type, there are winners and losers, now, your
scientifically proven insight tell us that psychologically, the public tend to go for either the winner or the underdog [loser] ...FFS, there are ONLY two options for the public to sympathise with, who else they gonna go for you numpty ???
You do not need
scientific evidence to conclude the public will choose one or the other …
all you need is one working brain cell to make that observation … Jeeeeze :/
NO EVIDENCE from either side????
You get more absurd the longer this goes on, what sort of evidence do you think is appropriate then?
A video of barnett caught in the act of screwing people over perhaps?
Don’t be a prihk, testimonial evidence is all you will get and if it’s ok for the courts of this land then it’s ok in this thread … I really cannot believe you wrote that :/
And are you really dismissing people Gino, Mannfred, Simon Cole, JBB [Powerball] Dave [Warfighters] and many, many others ???
Who the phuk do you think you are in dismissing their accounts as meaningless?
Not to put too finer point on this but you are a phukin nobody who comes on my site, insults me, my members and my friends in the industry … telling us all what’s to be taken seriously and what isn't .. you got some fuhking nerve, you have :/
5) If Mr. Barnett or his firm have done wrong why don't you people go to court? If evidence can be produced that is probably the most effective strategy to straighten things out or even get at Shoreline if that is what you people are after. The same holds true for Shoreline. If I ran this company and being confronted with the persistent viciousness of the accusations I would have hired a sollicitor and would go to court.
FFS do us all a favour, Go and work with barnett, and become his trusted counsel - if you had paid us the respect of
actually reading what you’ve just commented upon then you will have read that barnett has taken the legal path and guess what?
He got nowhere …. Wow, what insightful advice you handed out there, I’m impressed … :/
And was that litigation insight an emergent property of the fact you are the chairman of a medium sized company [yawn !!] ?
6) The whole thing is too obsessively written to make use of the phrase "megalomaniac" for the opposite party. And "fatgirl" come on boys, get a grip!
Get a grip???
Do me favour jan, get your ass on a ferry over here … the guy who coined the word ‘fatgirl’ would welcome the opportunity to meet you and I'm pretty sure he wouldor ignore it ‘get a grip’ … but I somehow think it’s the not the sort of grip the chairman of a medium sized company [yawn !!] may expect …. Shame :/
7) You guys thoroughly shattered my presumptious image of the English as gentlemen in control of their emotions. Give me back the "stiff upper lip."
I’m glad we shattered your ‘presumptious [sic] image’ of us Brits by virtue of the fact we can’t control our emotions … oh lord, what is this guy on FFS?
Your arrogance is devastating, your ignorance is alarming and the points you attempted to make are absolute bullsh!t … I’m agog at such a post, it’s beyond insane … someone send me some Diazepam quick … I will ask but one thing of you, please, please don’t post on here ever again because I quite like my laptop and if I read but one word more of your ****-fest, I’m kinda thinking I’ll launch this laptop toward Holland ….
I’m hovering over the ban button which is always gonna be my emotional default in such times but I do realise that wouldn’t really be fair of me and so I’m gonna leave you alone and I just pray you don’t post again …but I got this awful feeling whenever someone like you arrives on the scene as a first poster, you will post again because in your head, you think you make sense, you think you are somehow more gifted or entitled, you think you are somebody just because you are the chairman of a medium sized company [/Yawn] … but the truth is jan, you ain’t, you really are a nobody with nothing to say, and so here’s my advice, heed it …. Go back to your office on Monday morning, call in your employees and talk **** for an hour, I’m sure they’ll
appear enthusiastic and may indeed applaud your oratory [no matter what sh!t' you say]… but this is the real world … a world where you need to say something noteworthy or profound if you want to be taken seriously and you’ve classified for neither.
PS Now someone, please pass me the Diazepam ..... :/
