Ok, what offences has Tim actually committed?
As stated previously, Tim's 'behaviour' has been reprehensible blah blah, hurt everybody in UK paintball, got it. UWL has gone ok, no one else has been interested in running it? Why was it not picked up by Jim from Warped or Ged or Ledz or Simon or Steve or Jeeebus when it was offered out to the UK? That it was I am confused by as if Tim is the anti-christ why has not it not been stripped off him earlier?
Hi Chuck, firstly, if I thought this was silly, I wouldn't be advocating a change but maybe, some people think it's 'silly' and I just can't see it their way.
Of course, this is possibly the case but you go on to ask what offences barnett has actually committed?
And you trivialise his behaviour with a 'blah, blah, blah' as if to minimise his actions and in doing so, roll out the red carpet for anything else barnett might wish to do .... I have explained my reason for this thread as a precautionary tale such that I'm warning people, that eventually, he will phuk the UWL up, it's players and any fellow industry people involved.
As for Jim and Tim @ Warped?
I don't know why they didn't pick it up but what I do know is this, I called them and asked if they would consider picking up the UWL if barnett discontinued his tenure with the UWL, and they said they'd consider it.
Nothing more, Jim and Tim were quite professional about it and responded as I would have expected them to, these are good guys, and definitely good for our sport.
I'm the one who's advocating they should consider running the UWL because I'm damned sure one of the things that Jim and Tim must be considering is, they realise the pernicious effect and behaviours that barnett has indulged in and the guys who might wanna play the UWL are for the most part, a lot of the guys who would play the North v South.
There is NO way Jim and Tim would want some of their customer-base subjected to the sort of behaviours 'blah, blah, blah' that barnett has already exampled to others.
I think your overdoing the drama bit when asking why hasn't this 'antichrist' already been ejected, now this is a
silly question - barnett's list of behaviours have occurred over an extended period of time, he hasn't eaten any babies yet and so I doubt he's gonna be classified as an anti-Christ type such that he would be immediately thrown out.
But what we can reasonably suggest is, if he's willing to 'mismanage' the collection of monies to our soldiers then it doesn't take too much to speculate what he's capable of with other people.
We have already borne witness to some of the depths he will plumb to disgrace people who disagree with him but if you are the sort of person who prefers to ignore such things like this then great, go grab him with open arms, I'm sure you'll be very welcome.
And, you'll be alongside the type of people who still revere someone like michael jackson who was accused of paedophilia and then paid off that kid with millions of dollars - ask yourself Chuck, would you have allowed your kids anywhere near jackson?
Of course not, no sane person would choose that path .... you'd take the precautionary road, and understandably so – get my point albeit with a somewhat inappropriate example but at least its fitting?
Pre Shoreline it seemed to me that we had a few events, NVS etc that were running but nobody had run a game in a chemical factory, on a island or whatever, at least there is some sizzle in the sausage now? Is it that the staus quo has been upset and promoters are upset?
FFS Chuck, I'm not saying everything he's touched has turned evil overnight but just because he promoted an event up a coconut tree doesn't exonerate or excuse his behaviour somewhere else. That sort of thinking allowed Adolf to reign supreme to quote yet another, but fitting inappropriate example, or do you ignore his behaviours also Chuck?
Is it not the people who attend the games that the industry is there for or have we forgotten that? As a retailer or promoter you are there to run a game or sell products to people who like the concept....or have I missed something?
I haven't forgotten one damn thing Chuck and please don't try and imply I infringe any player's rights or opportunities to play the games they want, I don't.
This question is ridiculous because you are basically suggesting that everything is alright with the world just as long as the industry and players get what they want - if someone believes there is a trending behaviour as already exampled by barnett many times, such that somewhere down the line, that behaviour will be duplicated in a previously untouched area, then it would be remiss of me, and others, not to warn people.
I seem to remember Simon Cole following your line of thinking didn’t he, look where it got him.
And there’s more than Simon waiting in the wings with their sorry tales or do we do what you suggest and ignore them - I think they deserve better than that especially seing as they came on here and went public about barnett.
In fact, come to think of it, most of what you say Chuck is predicated upon denying the possibility of things I am warning against which is a pretty cheap shot to make considering ….
If you have an issue in the industry complain to your relevant body.....oh I now remember we do not have one in paintball as everyone is out for themselves..how silly of me. This is not the EPL folks.
This is a complaint about a competitor....simple as that..it is a shocking misuse of forum space and if people have an issue MAKE BETTER GAMES AND STEAL THEIR AUDIENCE, same with the retail business, grow up for fuhks sake, this is stupid. Let them hang themselves.
I am a life time member as I love P8ntballer but this is silly now. Robbo you are a legend in this sport but please just stop.
Relevant body????
Whos that Chuck???
I know you are being purposefully facetious here but if you are gonna state something like that, then at least pay me the respect of an option that actually exists FFS ……
There is NO relevant body, and you know that.
But I'll tell you this much, we might not have a formal body for interventions but we have a damn good informal one - it’s here Chuck!!!
It’s the players and posters and whoever wishes to make a case on a forum.
In the past and throughout our history, every time paintball has had an issue to deal with, it’s played out on forums like this.
The industry won’t normally get involved in using forums as a theatre of competition, they do it in the market-place but the players can and do air their views on here, and guess what Chuck, this type of pressure does pay dividends as we have seen in the past.
If I hadn’t taken up the initial case of barnett’s mismanagement of the donated funds, where do you think some of that money would have gone?
Do you honestly believe the soldiers would have got all that was donated??
You can maybe suggest that I don’t know for sure but I tell you what I do know Chuck, if someone were running an appeal taking donations in a professional and accountable manner, they WOULD have been following the correct procedures, and he didn’t - you don’t need to be a logician to work that one out.
You can ignore that if you so choose but it's at other people's peril, it's not exclusively yours.
Our industry are notoriously resistant to change especially when it veers toward self-policing, any notion that our industry is responsible when it comes to costing them money is ludicrous, I’ve been in this industry for over 25 years Chuck, I know the score and I suspect, so do you .. in fact, cast your mind back to the times when designer-board cheating was getting way out of hand; there was no relevant body to appeal to, half the frikkin industry were complicit in the cheating anyway - it was the players who got fuhk’d off with it all when being cheated every time they went near a pro team and to a lesser extent, ams and novices
I remember writing many many articles for PGi on this issue, I also remember writing a whole slew of posts on here lobbying for change but according to you, I now have to touch base with you with regard to what should and should not be addressed..
I wrote many posts condemning what was going on, nobody else in our industry was addressing the problem, I fuhkin did.
P8ntballer.com has been involved in many instances in the past where we have lobbied for change or for people to be ejected from our sport.
I once fell out with a good friend of mine on here because I didn't agree with what was going on with the Millennium and I said so, Steve Baldwin felt like killing me I'm sure but the players and teams were getting fuhk'd off but none of them were doing anything about it but moan ... p8ntballer got the message across Chuck, not you, not barnett not anyone, we did it.
Thankfully, Steve forgave me and we're back to being good friends but maybe next time I'll follow your advice and when ballers start getting shafted somewhere, I'll pass the problem over to you and see what sort of influence your name invokes ...
What do you honestly think Simon feels about all this?
He feels absolutely ashamed of what was done but more than that, he feels foolish because he was deceived by someone that I and others had been warning him against - and it is that same type warning I am giving now to all who consider putting money in barnett's pocket.
I cannot tell anyone not to go anywhere, players and teams will still go to events he holds but that's life Chuck, I can only do my bit but don't you dare try and trivialise what I try to do or try to tell me what to do and what not, you don't possess the stripes or the rationale.
Like it or not, p8ntballer.com is our police-force Chuck, there’s no other candidate in the wings that I can see.
One of the companies and individuals I helped eject a few years back was the company who were running an unsafe air-filling service at events.
I can't remember their name but others will do.
They were running illegal air-fills whereby kids were left in charge of filling stations - event holders didn't want me intervening because the guy was cheap and undercutting their main rivals H-Pac, nobody did a damn thing about it, you know who did?
Yeah, we sorted that out when I went public in condemning the guy who owned the company, I ignored all the physical threats he made to me, I ignored all the legal threats aimed my way and we got him slung out because everyone read our posts and we got rid of him using our muscle, our influence and our sense of what's right.
At one point, the guy [or someone he got to do it] had called my house and threatened they'd burn it down if I continued harassing him.
What would you have done Chuck?
I know what most would do, but luckily I'm acquainted with those sort of threats and nobody came round - I continued with what I believed to be the right course of action.
On another occasion, some a$shole was intimidating money out of our members and stealing kit at events, did anyone do anything about it?
Nobody wanted to do a damn thing, maybe that's not correct, they may have wanted to do something about him but nobody did.
We frikkin did, and it was as a direct result of this site’s attack on him that we got him banned from every league event in this country.
He also threatened me with violence, accused me of picking on him and the usual, 'I'm gonna sue you' etc etc.
I ignored all that BS and we flushed him away.
And now, we get you coming on here decrying all of that in favour of a scum-bag like barnett … I might have clumped a few people in my lifetime Chuck but I ain’t ever stolen a penny from a paintballer or attempted to defraud anyone.
I don't behave anything like barnett and so I can quite rightfully assume the moral high-ground here with or without your approval.
I keep my word, I pay my bills [Simon Cole would have zero problem in offering
me a credit line] and I try to be honest. None of those virtues are synonymous with barnett …. In fact, the opposite is.
As for a shocking misuse of my forum?
That comment pi4sed me right off Chuck, who the fuhk are you to tell me what’s misuse and what’s not, would I come round your house and say your choice of decorations is shocking?
Of course I don’t …. It is not your place to tell me what to do, in fact, was it such a shocking misuse when we got rid of the guy who was running an unsafe air-fill system?
Was it a shocking misuse when we lobbied, and rallied and pleaded with our industry and leagues to do something about the cheating going on? …
It seems to me Chuck, as though you wish to pick and choose what’s appropriate on someone else’s behalf … and you just can’t do that.
As for stopping?
I can’t, if I do that then I dismiss all notions of what I think is the right thing and wrong thing to do ….. all I have done re this particular thread is to ask people to consider where they are putting their money, that's all, it is not a hanging offence or as dramatic as you like to make out - I have clearly stated that the UWL is a good idea, my reservations are reserved for barnett …. People like him have a set of behaviours that’s consistent such that others can predict what’s gonna happen if things are left unchanged …. You know Simon Cole as well I do, you know his character and of his integrity … what do you think he would say concerning barnett running the UWL, or indeed any of the industry figures that have been fuhk’d over and betrayed by him?
Do you think they would be happy with his stewardship?
If you don’t know the answer to that question then I’ll tell you, they would have no confidence in barnett running the UWL ..period !
You conveniently forget these other people who have either been quoted or have posted, they might not be as forthright as myself but their opinions are predictable, give any one of them a call and ask them what they think …you know damned well what they’ll say Chuck … and then ask yourself, why do they say that ..
