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diaboro919

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Its nights like these where i get tired and bored of playing games, watching films, reading, etc, i tend to go back to my dream of owning and running a paintball site (with many crazy ideas which I keep to myself for uniqueness if i ever do achieve it ;) )

this has took roughly 6 nights to write :p i keep the page open and keep adding to it xD

I will most likely update this first post over time, as i come up with more ideas or ideas given to help :p

(Bare with me on this as i tend not to think proper realism such as starting out costs etc. Im thinking more towards the end with the site established and a good customer feedback/return. Think no budget and you wont be too far off (y))
Also im going by currently available gear but who knows what things will be out in 10 years or so.

So every site, give or take, has a similar take on gear:
this is just my general sum up

easy to run markers
Camo/ site branded overalls
fog resistant goggles
bog standard gravity hopper

I could go on to list the various types of each but i could be here all day :p

fast forward this part >>>>>>>>>

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Here's what id offer for my site :D
Ill cover markers in a mo ;)

Goggles
possibly the most important thing ever for a player, punter to pro. AND being pro or a punter, why supply teh cheap stuff?
I narrowed it down to:

Empire E-vents - i use them personally and are the best in my opinion
JT Pro Flex - used them before the E-vents and loved em
Dye i3 - Not used them but i hear good things

Now if i had to choose one, it would be the Events. Its the one I have used the longest, to me it has the best peripheral view, never seems to fog up (that i have noticed)and is easy to disassemble and clean, All masks would be fitted with the dual pane thermal lense as standard.
Game wise, all masks would all be coloured for easy to identify teams as some players have trouble identifying team mates during a shootout ( who has time to look around for a small armband when under fire by an unknown player? (y))

Colours would be:

white red black blue


Overalls
This was a tough one for me, thinking of a way to offer more than your standard overalls. Really, it stumped me for a while as there didn't seem to be a middle ground between overalls and proper playing gear :/.
But then i had a thought when cleaning my playing gear: why not kit them out in simple playing gear?

So asking my various paintball friends about how they started out and what gear they chose, i got 3 main answers:

Angel, Enola Gaye and Hanger 18

So by going by those 3 brands, i narrowed it down to EG (as Angel gear is discontinued and hard to come by while H18 doesn't seem to have a top that i could see): Player top and KillStar Camo pants.


I have worn the playing pants when working as a Site Marshall and Id say they are quite comfortable and well padded.
For a punter, I would say they are perfect. They are well padded in key areas, they can take a lot of rough play and stay intact and would give them a sense of owning their own gear (so they might look after it a bit better.. who am i kidding :ROFLMAO:)

So that's the playing gear covered. On to the markers :cool:


Markers

Funnily enough, this was the easiest one for me :p purely because i went through the exact same thing as most people do when they first start playing haha. You know what I'm talking about, don't even pretend not to ;) You or a friend have muttered those words: I'm gonna get the machine gun upgrade!!!! Which then most people who take up the sport, buy a machine gun lookalike marker and go from there,

So why not cater to their wants?

And to achieve that, I decided on one key marker (not including upgrade marker):

BT-4 Combat (the marker base if that makes sense? see below in green )


I chose the Combat purely because of how easy it is to customize, in terms of looks and feel, and easy to maintain, with most problems solved without any major marker knowledge. Plus nigh on ANY picatinny/weaver accessory will fit a Combat, one way or another, meaning many different looks to suit each player.

Now, here comes the genius part and something I quite like as its mostly a unique idea which i dont think any site does or ever will do (decide the reason why for yourself)

Customer created markers!

heres how it works:

After booking in and successfully getting into the safe zone (i will cover a brief day further down), customers will be taken into the Player Armoury by group colour. Each customer will be asked to choose a base marker: CAR stock, Folding stock, Wire/Skeleton stock, Slide stock, Fixed stock and no stock. These options will change due to parts available) from the rack and bring them over to the tech tables. (no barrel, no hopper, no elbow or air attached for safety reasons)
From there, they have the choice to attach whatever they want! from scopes to shrouds to fake mags etc.

easy? simple? unique?

Unique is the sense that no site could ever pull that off! Not even mine! The idea itself would fail BIG TIME!
Just forget what you just read as it would just waste a whole ton of time, cause fights and be extremely costly!

Here's the more realistic genius idea:

Player specific markers

Each player will be able to choose what style/look their marker will have. Options i would make available:

M16/M4 (BT Omega)


MP5 (BT Delta)


G36 (not decided: newly launched BT-36 or Combat with kit?)


AK-47 (Combat with kit)



There's possibly a few more i will have but cant think of em right now :ROFLMAO: and as standard, all hoppers will be Proto Primo's as they rock :p

Like with teams, its first come first serve and gone when its gone. All marker types will look exactly the same, right down to the unique site ID plate (that would replace the BT name plate) so you possibly wont be able to tell the difference (Dont be a smart ass :p) Customers will be asked which one they want when they head out through the Armoury (I am toying with the idea of lanes with each marker keep in its own lane for easy and fast deployment.) and they can change their mind or stick each time they pass through to play.

Upgrades

Ok, the above idea was my initial idea to eliminate the need for marker upgrades but hey, i wanna be able to offer them something MORE.... if they feel their options are too limited ;)

now i did strongly consider the TM-7 and TM-15 as upgrades but being basically an Invert Mini in a milsim shell, i felt it might be a bit too much in terms of use for customers. And i have witnessed some odd and bizarre 'incidents' that only seems to happen around or within punter groups to some markers :confused:

So my only upgrade of choice, just this one for now but you never know :p, is the Tippmann X7 Phenom - Assault edition (mech) for obvious reasons. Its more efficient on air, forced air operated loader, its a Tippmann :p etc.



Moving away from markers, i did consider electric hoppers however for some reason beyond my knowledge, i just dont see it being a good idea. The ones i considered were the BT ripclip, extreme rage overdrive Sonic DB and Halo too. I figured they might be beyond first time players ( i still get questions now about my odd looking hopper on game days) and i know how people like to fiddle with buttons. If i did offer a hopper upgrade, it would have been the Overdrive Sonic as its just a flick on switch and settings cant be accidently changed (apart from maybe the speed)





SO!
6-7 nights later (no doubt many more but cba to work it out....) this is my general sum up of what id offer, marker and apparel wise, on my site. To some, it may seem like a bad idea and to others a great idea but each to their own :)

one day, i will have my site and it will be my baby for all of time :D or until it finally grinds to a halt :/


Keep an eye on this as on another night, later down the line, i may include details of field layouts, safe zones, staff etc etc. :D
 

mrb2287

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The first thing I see there is how are you going to keep the masks clean and sanitized? There's going to be a lot of fannying around removing lenses to wash the masks etc - those are the things you need to look at from a site owners/marshals POV.
2ndly - with things like the TM17/X7/Mini as an upgrade, don't forget punters DO NOT look after or care about gear they are borrowing, these will be destroyed relatively quickly and again you need to be looking at how easy they are to maintain. BT4 - full strip and clean 5-10 mins (not that it needs it every month) TM15 - just a strip down 10-15 mins +

I like your ideas and your thinking but from a site POV you need to be a tad more realistic OR have a shed load more staff than any other site for the same amount of players!
 

Dusty

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from a site POV you need to be a tad more realistic OR have a shed load more staff (MONEY!!) than any other site for the same amount of players!
Fixed that for you.

With that sort of gear you can watch your profits disappear while you replace your kit ;)
 

mrb2287

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Fixed that for you.

With that sort of gear you can watch your profits disappear while you replace your kit ;)
I was being a bit more subtle with mine lol!
But yea you would have to charge a bazillion £ per day to keep that making money after your overheads
 

Dusty

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I was being a bit more subtle with mine lol!
But yea you would have to charge a bazillion £ per day to keep that making money after your overheads
My name and subtle are rarely used together. Except when saying, Dusty is about as subtle as a breeze block to the knee caps.....
 
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diaboro919

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The first thing I see there is how are you going to keep the masks clean and sanitized? There's going to be a lot of fannying around removing lenses to wash the masks etc - those are the things you need to look at from a site owners/marshals POV.
2ndly - with things like the TM17/X7/Mini as an upgrade, don't forget punters DO NOT look after or care about gear they are borrowing, these will be destroyed relatively quickly and again you need to be looking at how easy they are to maintain. BT4 - full strip and clean 5-10 mins (not that it needs it every month) TM15 - just a strip down 10-15 mins +

I like your ideas and your thinking but from a site POV you need to be a tad more realistic OR have a shed load more staff than any other site for the same amount of players!
thanks :D like i said, im not being fully realistic here :p this is something like an end game, when the money has come in from being established over x amount of time. Keeping masks clean and sanitized would be down to myself and maybe a few others. yep, can be fiddly and time consuming but reckon overall would be worth it, building site rep and quality :) I mainly think it will come down to me doing most of the mask maintenance as mostly i have a lot of free time, both day and night, and I love sorting out any paintball gear :D

think you may have misread a little bit there Mr b :p as the TM-7/15/Mini would NOT be upgrades due to your exact reasons :p so i went with a phenom instead haha.

Charges wise, i reckon i will be covering that on another such night :D but its safe to say that at this point, end game, as long as enough is made to cover marshall expenses, paint prices, bills etc. i would be happy :) and whatever extra is made would be put straight into the site, be it repairs, improvements etc etc



Fixed that for you.

With that sort of gear you can watch your profits disappear while you replace your kit ;)
yep, i thought about that as well haha but like i said this is my end game design. my actual one is a lot more saner ;) just maybe with the same marker outlines :D
 
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mrb2287

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think you may have misread a little bit there Mr b :p as the TM-7/15/Mini would NOT be upgrades due to your exact reasons :p so i went with a phenom instead haha.

Charges wise, i reckon i will be covering that on another such night :D but its safe to say that at this point, end game, as long as enough is made to cover marshall expenses, paint prices, bills etc. i would be happy :) and whatever extra is made would be put straight into the site, be it repairs, improvements etc etc
I still think your grasping just how long it will take you to strip and clean 30+ thermal masks etc, this is the reason sites choose the easiest gear mainantence wise ,possible!
thanks :D like i said, im not being fully realistic here :p this is something like an end game, when the money has come in from being established over x amount of time. Keeping masks clean and sanitized would be down to myself and maybe a few others. yep, can be fiddly and time consuming but reckon overall would be worth it, building site rep and quality :) I mainly think it will come down to me doing most of the mask maintenance as mostly i have a lot of free time, both day and night, and I love sorting out any paintball gear :D

think you may have misread a little bit there Mr b :p as the TM-7/15/Mini would NOT be upgrades due to your exact reasons :p so i went with a phenom instead haha.

Charges wise, i reckon i will be covering that on another such night :D but its safe to say that at this point, end game, as long as enough is made to cover marshal expenses, paint prices, bills etc. i would be happy :) and whatever extra is made would be put straight into the site, be it repairs, improvements etc etc
I still think your missing the point a little. The time it will take you to strip and clean 30+ thermal masks etc is going to be ridiculous! This is why sites choose the easiest gear, maintenance wise, possible!
Your going to end up spending all night doing things like that!
And by that time you will be too tired to want to do any site maintenance or building etc.
If all your doing is covering your overheads and not really making much out of it then it begs the question what will you live on?

I am IN NO WAY knocking your dream - I'm sure at some point we have all had similar dreams about various career paths, I just wanted to help by making you aware of things that others don't always factor in. Again if you go ahead with it in the future I wish you all the best and will support you where I can ;) (shameless I know!)
 

diaboro919

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I still think your grasping just how long it will take you to strip and clean 30+ thermal masks etc, this is the reason sites choose the easiest gear mainantence wise ,possible!


I still think your missing the point a little. The time it will take you to strip and clean 30+ thermal masks etc is going to be ridiculous! This is why sites choose the easiest gear, maintenance wise, possible!
Your going to end up spending all night doing things like that!
And by that time you will be too tired to want to do any site maintenance or building etc.
If all your doing is covering your overheads and not really making much out of it then it begs the question what will you live on?

I am IN NO WAY knocking your dream - I'm sure at some point we have all had similar dreams about various career paths, I just wanted to help by making you aware of things that others don't always factor in. Again if you go ahead with it in the future I wish you all the best and will support you where I can ;) (shameless I know!)
i get your point, i do :) this is most likely one of those things that you plan but never get round to being able to do :p i hope maybe one day i could get close to it, but i may have to settle with whatever at that point in time :) When it comes to balling, i could be half dead and still be hyped to play ;)

The site will be my project if you will :) i want it to get to the point where its self sustaining money wise. I dont really want to run it to turn a profit but for the enjoyment of those who like to play and want to play :) (this is possibly the main reason why i should never be the head of any business :p) My living would be made during the week at a regular job (possibly some 9 to 5 job ) which id be happy to do as long as i know my site is fine :) (or until im forced to go :p)

Your not knocking my dream at all, just providing sound advice :D My proper site plan, one im keeping close to heart cos its my baby :D, is a lot more considerate and takes everything into account in a proper aspect :)
 

Dusty

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Unfortunately the realities of site ownership often don't match up with the dream. I guarantee you no one of sound mind dreams of standing in sideways rain at minus 2 degrees with the freezing water seeping through the waterproofs down the shuck of your arse ;)
 

diaboro919

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Unfortunately the realities of site ownership often don't match up with the dream. I guarantee you no one of sound mind dreams of standing in sideways rain at minus 2 degrees with the freezing water seeping through the waterproofs down the shuck of your arse ;)
haha true true. Maybe i can change their mind with waterproof poncho's :ROFLMAO:

I know that the dream may not ever come true, just wishful dreaming haha :D I reckon i need first person exp of site running/ownership. I wonder if my local site would let me shadow them over a weekend and see what its like, both on site and off (probs not towards the business end but who knows) should then give me a better understanding and adjust my acutal site plan :D