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Race to 3 instead of Race 2 Prem A?


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f1nut2

Team Kinetic
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Unlikely to be playing the division as we played race to 4 last year but I agree with the argument that dometic uk leagues should follow in line with the European leagues and not run hybrids inbetween.

Also only real frustration of the CPPS last year was the schedule running late. I know it must be very difficult to organise but morning sessions ran pretty late this season and afternoon session finished pretty late too. Would changing to a race 3 format make things slicker or slower?

Cheers
 

Liam92

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Nov 4, 2009
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Unlikely to be playing the division as we played race to 4 last year but I agree with the argument that dometic uk leagues should follow in line with the European leagues and not run hybrids inbetween.

Also only real frustration of the CPPS last year was the schedule running late. I know it must be very difficult to organise but morning sessions ran pretty late this season and afternoon session finished pretty late too. Would changing to a race 3 format make things slicker or slower?

Cheers
surely the only problem would be an error in judgement of how quickly the games would turn around or how long they ran. race to 5 or 5man, you should be able to figure out how long each game would take roughly and plan accordingly.
 

onasilverbike

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Race to 2, 6 games is 12-18 points played (excepting non-scoring points) Race to 3, 5 games is 15-25 points played, so you have an increase of 25% - 39% in points, raising costs to teams in paint consumption and to the organisers in staffing the field and providing the facilities, including air supply, this cost will eventually fall somewhere, so again the teams will be paying more in the increased entry needed to cover these costs. Notwithstanding the extra squad members and pit personnel that will probably be required. 5 well organised players will probably be able to manage their own pits for 3 points, even if they have to use the time-out, the same 5 guys will struggle collect and refill pots for themselves as well as air up and clean up if the game goes to 5 points.

IMHO at this point we still need to be making the game more accessible, not less. I realise the Prem A guys are not just 5 goobers with guns, however that does not mean they are cash, time, or personnel rich.

One of the biggest issues the CPPS has suffered from, if not the biggest, and source of complaints, has been the over-scheduling, meaning that games, divisions, fields and events have run over time, due to drawn out games and null points not being allowed for in the schedule, resulting in teams hanging around freezing their tits off in the semi-dark when they expected (and probably were expected by their loved ones) to be home. I know Ainsley is aware of this issue as he mentioned it to me at Round 4. Adding extra points and field time to a division is going to make it eat up even more schedule time, unless the team numbers are significantly reduced.

Race to 2 with 6 games in one day is IMHO an ambitious venture in the first place, as MS/PSP spread this amount of prelim games over a 2 days (yes, OK, the division may be bigger, but the strain on teams isn't necessarily so). If the teams entering are happy for this then OK. I can also see the draw of Race to 3 as a stepping stone to Race to 4, however; what I prefer is the solution the MS have come up with of having semis and finals in the division Race to 4 format! You could also borrow the practice the PSP employ in their 5-man (Race to 2) division of having 4 teams in field-side pits, the 2 playing and the next 2 to play, as well as having the next pair of teams, on standby, outside the pits, whilst the remaining teams are clear of the field-side, for which the current common staging could be employed. This should greatly help with keeping to schedule and teams knowing when they are next on-deck!
 
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Tony Harrison

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No - leave it as it is. It will cost too much.

As a wiser person than me pointed out, ideally you need 3 fields, all next to each other, as follows:-

Field 1 - Woodland/UWL (Beginner)
Field 2 - Race to 2 (Intermediate)
Field 3 - Race to 5, as per ms, or 7, as per psp (Pro)

That way, you can see a defined path from beginner to pro. Simple.
 
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onasilverbike

I'm a country member!
In addition to my post above, the disadvantage of having a set of finals and a presentation is that, by this time the other teams will have probably pissed off home, or to KFC, or wherever! As for running Hydrid events, few teams at this level will be actually aspiring to play more than maybe one, if any Millennium events in a season, so, sticking to the established format laid down from above is mostly irrelevant, if teams want to play a given format, organisers want to run it, and they can mutually agree a price, then its between those two parties if the format goes ahead, those who 'object' should STFU & GTFO! The same could be said for field design and layout, do the majority of domestic teams want or benefit from playing the up to date MS field, with its smaller bunkers and technical snake, or from playing the next MS event layout, rather than a previous layout, or a unique one for that event? Will those that object to 'hybrid' formats be taking their objections to the MS if the proposed 'Formula 4' format takes off next season?

Finally, CPPS is, was, or was supposed to be, an EPBF ranked event, for those teams playing a R to 3 format, how would they achieve EPBF ranking points? Assuming they even cared in the first place.
 

Ainsley

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Mar 26, 2008
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All good input guys, thank you.....looks like we'll be leaving it as is with a small tweak. I just wanted to hear some opinions first and it's a case of balance (mainly when it comes to paint bills).

We shouldn't have the scheduling issues experienced previously as we're running 5 fields next season and each division will be played on their own field from 9am - 2/3pm, thus not effected by another field running ahead/behind........more info to come on that next week with the official 2013 press release ;)

On the base of the comments so far we'll run the race 2 divisions as this year (Prem A and Prem B), however we'll be running it with 5 games (as opposed to 4 this season), with an extra game if you make the finals. When speaking with a lot of teams this past couple of months, they simply didn't feel like 4 was enough, so increasing this just seems logical without hurting them financially at the end of each day.

Ainsley
 

f1nut2

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5 fields sounds good. I didn't mind the alternating between morning and afternoon this year but the overrun on scheduling was frustrating at times. But if you plan to run all divisions at once that sounds even better.

One small point which I'm sure you guys have already thought about is will you have enough full experienced riffing crews? I remember one event where lack refs made things run late.

Cheers
 
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Tony Harrison

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Reffing is always a difficult area.

Who wants to ref when they can play?

Who wants to take abuse if they make a small error of judgment after reffing for four hours straight, with no breaks?

Not many.

How can you predict the precise number of refs that will turn up on the day, given broken promises and car problems?

So, if you want to step up to the plate and ref, post up.

I have 20+ years experience reffing everything from customer days to World Cup. I will play your event in the morning division, and ref in the afternoon, or vice versa, whatever suits you.

I'll ref free of charge, to show my commitment.

The offer is there, Ainsley, if you want it.
 
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