Christian Fundamentalists...

[Buddha 3]

*Cough* WWI *cough* WWII *cough*

To state that wars are fought 'in the name of' some deity or other is a little skewed.
Most are fought for purely territorial motives.

WW2 was fought, for a large part on something closely resembling religious basis.
The war can actually be broken down into 4 different wars: The war in the Pacific, the western Allies versus the Germans, the Germans versus the Soviets and the Germans versus "the Jew".
Those last two were easily the most horrific and destructive and were fought on something resembling religious beliefs, there was just no god involved.

 

[platoongod]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVbUzbLC5GE&feature=feedu[/video]

Great video on the subject by Pat

 

[onasilverbike]

Fair point, the Third Reich had some religious issues! They had some pretty big territorial aspirations too, as did the Japanese, and the Russians ended up with a fair chunk of real estate.

 

[Missy-Q]

Christian Fundamentalists have yet to crash planes into buildings, webcast live beheadings and more recently hang 8 year kids from tree branches.

my point being that whilst any fundamentalist is a danger to society, i'm of the opinion that the Muslim ones commit the worst debased atrocities.

This Norwegian guy was shooting 14-18yr old kids with a fancy agog sight on his AR-15, and then when people would try to play dead, he was walking up to them and blowing their brains out with a shotgun, all while listening to the soundtrack to the Lord of the Rings on full blast. He also placed bombs to kill indiscriminantly. I think that's pretty fxcked up. They may 'have yet to' do many things, but the same could be said of Al Qaida a few short years ago. I would venture that if he had he organisation to back him, he would have done worse than he did. He did say that he wanted to inflict the maximum damage to the ruling party.

It's the smug satisfaction that worries me, and the feeling that he has done nothing but 'defend' his country by gunning down 60-odd teenagers. That comes from the same 'state of martyrdom' that is so often denounced as 'uneducated and primitive' by the west when demonstrated by Islamists. We laugh at their 100 virgin-reward bollox and think they are 'like children' if they believe that stufff. This guy went to fancy schools, was well educated, and does the same thing.
Way more scary in my opinion.

 

[onasilverbike]

His aims appear to have been to "start a war" that would halt the Islamisation of Europe, how slaughtering his own countrymen, albeit those of a different political persuasion to himself, is likely to achieve this is beyond me.

 

[The Zambezi Kid]

His aims appear to have been to "start a war" that would halt the Islamisation of Europe, how slaughtering his own countrymen, albeit those of a different political persuasion to himself, is likely to achieve this is beyond me.

It is surprising common for fanatics to kill their own side for not being fanatic enough (seeing them as traitors to their own kind).

Another example of fanaticism I aways remember is a nasty group based in Algeria called the Armed Islamic Group (GIA). One of their religious "expert" announced it is acceptable for the faithful to kill children. The reasoning being, everyone is born a muslim, then non muslims are brainwashed as children into being no muslim. If you kill a child before they are "brainwashed" then you ensure they go to paradise. Lovely people.

 

[Robbo]

Religion is merely a convenient vehicle on which criminals and idealists elect to ride upon.
It also provides a misleading tag for people to debate thus ensuring we are never gonna fully understand the real issues involved.
To blame religion for the world's ills is the same as blaming the car for road deaths .... it''s what we do with religion and the car that defines the problem, you can use either for both good and bad.

 

[Missy-Q]

Of course fundamentalist religion is 'a bad thing', that's not what this is about. It's not even about religion really. For me it's more about 'threat', and parity, or rather the lack of it in this case. I feel less threatened by Islamic Fund's now than by Christian Fund's. I think I feel this way because I know that the Christians won't get the same treatment. Muslim Fundamentalists have allowed the West, and the US in particular, to ostracise Islam altogether, and you know they won't be scrutinising Christians the same way.
Also, I don't know who they are (the CF's) or whether I am standing next to one at the bus stop.
And what about the charities? Of course there are plenty of Christian charities that do good work, but are there also Christian charities that fund Christian fundamentalism? There has to be, right? Do you think the investigators will go to the same lengths with CF's as they would with MF's. I don't think so, and that for me, makes them more dangerous, and in turn, more scary.

 

[Buddha 3]

This Norwegian guy was shooting 14-18yr old kids with a fancy agog sight on his AR-15, and then when people would try to play dead, he was walking up to them and blowing their brains out with a shotgun, all while listening to the soundtrack to the Lord of the Rings on full blast. He also placed bombs to kill indiscriminantly. I think that's pretty fxcked up. They may 'have yet to' do many things, but the same could be said of Al Qaida a few short years ago. I would venture that if he had he organisation to back him, he would have done worse than he did. He did say that he wanted to inflict the maximum damage to the ruling party.

It's the smug satisfaction that worries me, and the feeling that he has done nothing but 'defend' his country by gunning down 60-odd teenagers. That comes from the same 'state of martyrdom' that is so often denounced as 'uneducated and primitive' by the west when demonstrated by Islamists. We laugh at their 100 virgin-reward bollox and think they are 'like children' if they believe that stufff. This guy went to fancy schools, was well educated, and does the same thing.
Way more scary in my opinion.

Over the last couple of years I've been watching Western Europe take on an all too familiar shape.
Governments are steering countries away from social democracies, people want "less government" in their lives, and the rethoric has gotten harsher. Xenophobia is on the increase, as are the populist political parties that fan the flames of xenophobia. Combined with an economic crisis, we have pretty much the same recipe as we had some 80 years ago. I recommend everybody to read "The coming of the Third Reich" by Richard J. Evans and replace the word "Jew" everytime you read it with the word "Muslim". It's uncanny. And terrifying.

In Holland we have the PVV run by Geert Wilders. In the manifest that Norwegian loony released, he made several references to this man and his party, yet Geert Wilders claims to denounce such acts of violence. The rulers of the NSDAP publicly denounced the violence of the brownshirts before they were in control as well, yet took no steps to stop the violence. In fact, their rethoric only increased it.
Expect more of this to happen as long as politicians like those of the PVV keep using words as "war against multiculturalism" and "the battle against Islamisation".
That's wartalk, plain and simple.
This will all get a whole lot worse before it gets better...

 

[Henry8362]

The rulers of the NSDAP publicly denounced the violence of the brownshirts before they were in control as well, yet took no steps to stop the violence. In fact, their rethoric only increased it.

Ahh the irony that a year after they came to power, they had them all arrested and/or killed, including the homosexual leader Ernst Rohm, ahhh irony.