Thanks guys, i've use cockers before as i had Rats trilogy a few weeks ago and do like it but was a little on the heavy side, so sold that to my mate last night so need another asap lol i'm looking at the angel 05 now, i plan to do a bit of both woods-ball and maybe some tournies but the getting a bit old and slow so not sure about tournies yet, did go trainning at the weekend with some lads that do tournies, i did manage to hold my own but it was hard work being so unfit, but i was thinking of having these 3 just as back up/makers for mates to use,and to learn more about them,
thanks for the advise guys
wolfie