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Paintball guns used in the Gaza Aid boat boarding in May 2010

~Solo~

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I've been meaning to mention this for a while. Back in May you will remember that there were some Aid boats on their way to Gaza that were boarded by Israili Commandos. One of the reports about this afterwards mentioned that some of the Commandos that abseiled out of Back Hawk helicopters onto the boats were armed with paintball guns.

I have often thought that paintball guns would make effective riot / civil disturbance control weapons for several reasons. Compared to batons rounds they are cheaper, have a higher rate of fire, are less life threatening, can be used with pepperspay fill, can be used with permant dye for identifying people later etc. There is the question as to whether paintballs would stop a charging rioter charged by adrenaline... Ask yourself whether, in a game when the adrenaline is flowing, you would continue to run at an opponent shooting at you on full ramp... then consider it is the fps was nearer 400 than 300? The US company, RAP4, seems to already be pretty advanced in developing various products that use paintball technology - See here

The main question is about being hit in the eye but is that risk any less with a baton round?

It's not a new discussion but I think it is becoming more relavent as more agencies around the world seem to be adopting them. What, of course, would it do for our sport and would we see legions of students, for example, facing off against the police with them on our streets?
 

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Bambulus

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Paintball guns, or similar, have been used in riot situations for a while now.

One of them is a paintball filled with pepperspray, usually fired at a very high velocity (around 350fps, IIRC). They were being tested in riot situations in Boston when a stray shot killed a young woman. I think they were very quickly dropped from riot forces after that, due to accuracy issues and such.

But yeah, they're used. There was a thread straight after the boarding with a picture from the film clip.

http://www.pepperball.com/
 

Dark Warrior

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You seem to be forgetting that countries where the police agencies are using or have used paintball style rounds already have an armed police force, so all members have access to lethal and non lethal rounds.
Might not be correct but I believe that only the British Army that can use rubber bullets and they can only be used in Northern Ireland. UK Police may be trialling non lethal projectiles fired from a paintball marker, but it would take a really major incident for legislation to change to allow them to use them for crowd control etc.

Saying that I live in the county where more armed stand offs with the police, ends up with the death of the suspect than anywhere else in mainland UK.
 

Dskize

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I think that's more indicitive of our police forces unwillingness to use lethal rounds , when they shoot it's because they have too , and they hit what they shoot at.

Unless you live in Brixton of course Eric.
 

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Saying that I live in the county where more armed stand offs with the police, ends up with the death of the suspect than anywhere else in mainland UK.
That's one hell of a specific statistic. That only needs to happen once more than in any other county to be true. And how many counties haven't had any armed stand offs? Not that I know where I'm goin' with this....

How often is it that the suspect shoots themself?

Also, what paintball guns do the police use? I would imagine it to be something tippmann-ish. Do they use stock barrels?
 

Dskize

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Gotta be something by the bastions of all tastelessness armotech right ? ...I can't see them kicking in a crackhouse door in Manchester with a Pink ego with 'I shootz bitchis LOL' lazer engraved on it and wearing a £250 real tree sandanna, as much as I'd like that .

Ref ,on 'is pitbull ref.....
 
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dodge-gnome

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I think they had it sussed in the 80s, being armed with hoses from fire-trucks and beanbag cannons, try getting one of those badboys in your eyeball... Any modern day projectile with the "non-lethal" approach will always run the risk of hitting someone in the eye and killing them.

Who knows, if the paintball system is put into effect, London Nexus could have handled the student riots much better than the police force did :p
 

~Solo~

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In light of recent events I felt inclined to re-read what I wrote a few months back - feeling a bit angry like most hardworking, law abiding taxpayers I would imagine.

Dark Warrior's comment caught my eye!!

UK Police may be trialling non lethal projectiles fired from a paintball marker, but it would take a really major incident for legislation to change to allow them to use them for crowd control etc.
Personally I felt like going out on the streets with two tanks and as many pots as I could fill but there wasn't much action in rural kent!