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Interview with Marcus Davis - One of the Most Successful Brits of All Time !!

Simes65

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...being an old school woodland player (shadow company / shades 2) and having played against both of your teams during the good old days I have to admit that listening to you both - particularly Marcus brought the game memories and woodland experience flooding back.

...following the Predators success in the likes of PGI / Paintball Monthly and Paintball Adventures and then to hear from Marcus offer further info about what was going on that was only hinted at by the press was extremely insightful.

...I'm also reminded of the advice that our team = Shadow Company received from both Marcus and Phil Ham during one of their training days about tactics and field craft and the impact it had on our gamestyle...helping us to pull off the paintball golden grail result of - 10 perfect maxes - achieved at KoohDow on the very first Midland League 10 man fixture.

...Thanks to you both
 

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After having this thread swill around in my head for the past few weeks, it provokes two entirely different emotions, one of pride, the other of regret.
I'm kinda proud I was part of some fantastic UK success in a US created / dominated sport which gave our country some real recognition in international paintball but at the same time this pride sits uncomfortably alongside a very deep and real regret.

A regret that has its foundations rooted in how our national sport is being represented now at tournament level internationally.

The real tragedy is not so much we have declined so far but the fact I know damned sure we have the talent out there to go do the Yanks again …am I bullshihtting?
Could be … but I ain’t .. leastwise I honestly believe I’m not.

There are two main obstacles to this with the first being, unless the Millennium go back to open events and allow pro teams from the US to attend on a casual basis as against being locked into a league, then our teams can’t even get to play the top Yanks.

And so, any team who plays for the most part in the MS can never say they are a top team .. all the time the top Yank teams ain’t playing against you, you cannot declare yourself as a top pro team .. all you can do is believe you are a top European team .. I’m afraid this is a sad and very resisted truth though some people will argue the point only for the truth to look down on them with a wry smile.

We could of course get a team to go play the pro bracket PSP or even NPPL but that takes some real dosh but thankfully there is now some movement toward open events and I think in a few years time, event promoters in Europe [whoever they may be] will be forced to go back to open events anyway.

The other obstacle is putting a team together with the necesssary talent to actually take it to the Yanks' and I mean, really take it to them. The easy thing with this is ironically going and finding the players.

I use the word ironically because amid all the depressive talk about the state of our teams and events, I know, full well we have the playing talent, I have seen them and I have only been to about three events in the UK this year. I saw sooooo many talented young guys just looking for some real opportunity.

Our top player, Justin Wheeler is but one … he is a true pro, along with Tommy Pemberton [since retired thru injury :(] two guys who embody what it is to be British, proud and fuhkin talented … I wish we could have used them two guys to their full potential but alas the situations never presented themselves but those two guys alone would have provided a bedrock of experience and talent that all great teams need but more importantly, they were always willing to learn … always.
Their characters were pro thru and thru ..
Jason has now got himself a trial with the Russian Legion and subsequently had to leave Nexus and I can only wish him well, I wrote to Sergey, the guy who owns the Russian and told him about Jason and now his fate is in his own hands; we can only hope he achieves his destiny.

Back to our hypothetical team, I tell ya something … you get someone who will fund such a team, and within about three trial games of prospective players, I’d easily pinpoint a group of ten players who we could take to the top of our sport and I’d get them there within 9 months …
Now, you could read that and react in a few ways, some might think, ‘big headed *******, who does he think he is’ .. others might think, ‘what a dick, couldn’t be done, Robbo’s lost his mind’ or you maybe couldn’t care one way or the other.
I learned some real painful lessons with Nexus, real painful ones and there is no way I'd alllow the same sort of mistakes I made to be duplicated.
The management of men is a real necessity, you have to be their dad, thier coach, their inspiration, their big brother even their mother .... it is a combination of psychological and social chemistry and has to be done so carefully otherwise you'd end up creating what I did in the end.

I ain't saying any of this to look big, I'm telling you like it is because it’s really possible and if I can do it other people can …… as for who?

Not many I grant you, less than a handful in fact. We have a few people who no doubt think they can but the reality is they haven’t got the experience at the top end and at that top end, games are decided upon edges, and those edges need to be trained accordingly.
I have seen little to no evidence of anybody being able to do that but as I say, I do know some people who could if they were asked to do it.

There is one man we have over here who has the ability, experience and knowledge to do the same and I think I’d place a couple of helping hands with him to help him on his way.
Before I get to their names, this venture is of course all predicated upon some rich guy parting with his heard-earned money .. which as we know is a rare occurrence.

And so, all this rhetoric means zip all the time nobody has come forward with a need to fund such a team.
Times are hard at the moment as we all know and spare money like that isn’t hanging around people’s banks like it used to.
We can all wish though, and so let’s do that !
The man I would think could do the job is Ledz, he played at the very top of our sport with the original Nexus and has the necessary experience and character to motivate men in the way that would be needed.
His two right hand men would be Nicky Truter and Mark Toye, both hugely experienced and both hugely respected by myself and others who know them and their capabilities.

I could guarantee that combination would give us back the pride we once had; thinking back to those times, I’d love two entrepreneurs to come forward, one to fund Ledz and another one to fund me and Marcus … two teams vying for the top .. two teams with different coaching staff, competing against each other, learning and developing .. what a ride that would be.

I always promised myself I would never get involved in coaching again after what happened with some certain individuals but I think working with Marcus in a situation like the one just described would certainly get me wanting to get involved again.
And I know Marcus would jump at the chance to get involved, he could be the coach at the events coz I’m useless at that, I get too emotionally involved and fuhk things up and so I could do the ‘out of event’ stuff like training etc. and Marc could do the rest.

Blimey, I’m getting excited thinking about it but alas .. we have no money :(
I wonder if someone in UK paintball would want to help give us Brits back some pride in our teams …. Just a couple of guys who got a few quid in their back pockets and like the idea of supporting two teams vie for supremacy thus catapulting us Brits back to the top of world paintball like we once were .. a pipedream ?
Of course it is but even pipedreams can come true …can’t they?
I live in hope .....

PS Apologies for length of post, for some reason they always seem to be a bit wordy :)
 
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It`s a good post Mate, It makes you feel into your heart to find out where you belong....Bluey
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It would be a great thing to happen to UK balling if indeed the funding materializes, but if anyone can make that happen, it would be yourself and the other guys mentioned, and i have every faith that you guys could some how pull it out of someones hat :D
 

Ralph

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First off, so sorry to hear about Dougie Knight. No matter what was going on at the time he always had a big broad smile and i hope he's still got it.

The interveiw with Marcus is no Larry King production but it's all the better for it. As an NWC player he was the devil personified and now i know why thank's to this interview. Professionalism.

We never trained as much or went into the technical aspect's of our eqipment or tactics with such attention to detail. We were good, very good but the Preds always had an edge. We would draw with them in games and maybe we would be a body up (it felt like a victory, trust me). But then we would draw another game or get a flag in transit but they wouldn't.

I can remember at a team meeting Robbo saying that if we wanted to be the best we would have to become more like the Preds but if were happy to carry on as we were being in the top 2 or 3 that was Ok. He added that if that was to happen it was going to take a lot more time,effort,energy & money out of our lives. Most of us were already living,breathing NWC 24/7 so it was not really an option,short of being paid for playing.

I agree wholeheartedly with Marcus about the state of British paintball today. Woodland paintball has been all but sidelined into the margin's. Most players first entry into to paintball is via the woodland game. If they like it they go again and again, they may even get some second hand equipment and start doing a few walk-ons with their mates and slowly have the basis of a team.

What next ?
Shooting the crap out of other 'day punters' get's boring and the site owners would not want to scare off repeat customers by allowing this too often.

Where do they go ?
Dougie Setters and others would run a tournament and have 20- 30 punters on site. These guys would see how a tournament was run and all the shiney (expensive) eqipment that the players had and some would seriously think about taking it up.

Where's that link now ?
There isn't one. The jump to tournament play is too great. It's like going on a track day on your motorbike and thinking that you'd like to race but then finding that your sitting on the grid next to Valentino Rossi clones. Now i'm all up for aspiring to be Valentino, Schumaker,Nadal, Tiger,Peiterson,Rodman,Babe,Rooney or at a push Robbo but how am i going to do that in five games that only last 60 seconds each ?
I love a shoot'em up game on my computer but i gave up trying to play online games as i got fed up with spotty oik from out in the swamps sitting by the entrance waiting for players to appear at the portal. Who would then kill you and then start dissing you into the bargin as he's racked up his 10,000 kill of the day and paintball has gone a similar way. Where's the fun in that ?

I know that simon made a couple of other points and i'm not ignoring them but i'd like to make a couple of points about theses.

Lets not get too tearly eyed, and remember why we came out of the woods, ...
A result could be decided on the flip of a coin when choosing ends of the field (woodland is not symetrical).
A result could be decided on a flip of a coin. This is true up to a point. But a top team could still win having the wrong end by using their skill & knowlege. The fact that they are not symetrical adds that random element that makes the game exciting. Add in a slope,small brook, swamp,branch's,leaves & the cammo and much more comes into the game at a basic level. The only thing random about today's game is which of the 2,000 + paintballs in the air in the 1st five seconds is going to take out half your team.

Supair is hard to marshal properly - the woods is impossible.
Supair is harder. The confines of the feild mean that marshals have to try to react quicker and that sometimes is just not possible,if games are only lasting 60 seconds. Yes it's harder for players to get way with wiping but that is due to some degree to the potential vigilance from any spectators.

There are reasons why we moved on, ...
Money is the reason ! Promoters saw a new angle. Oh and everyone was going to be a TV star.
By bringing the sport to the masses by making it accesable to spectators they would be able to put paintball on the TV and then get advertising revenues. Unless it's you or your team,watching paintball on TV is boring. There is nothing to follow like other team sports such as Soccer,NFL,Rugby, NBA, etc. where the ball is followed by the spectators TV or otherwise

Neither forms of paintball are the be all end all. That's not the issue . More people need to get into paintball if it's going to survive,cause otherwise your going to have to put up with the likes of Robbo, Marcus, Me and whole load of others telling you that 89 - 99 was the golden era of British paintball and we got loads of stories :D
 
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Some great comments there Ralph

I recall the 'crap end of the field' effecting many tournaments we played, but it was all just part of the game in those days. All fields had some way of winning on them, no matter how one-sided they might have seemed. You just needed to find where the weak/strong points were, and plan your tactics and gameplay to suit. Winning a game from the weaker end against a stronger team made it all the more satisfying for me.

X-ball is still a very skillful paintball game, it's simply needs a totally different skill-set and fitness level to play it. It also seemed to focus on filling the air with paint, and promoter's pockets with money, rather than the 'fun' aspect of paintball that first addicted me back in the 80's. I'm too crusty and set in my ways to enjoy X-ball as it stands today, but will continue to fly the woodsball flag for as long as I'm able.

When I play walk-ons at sites like Holmbush, we sometimes share the safe zone with rentals. I often get asked what it takes to step up to playing walk-on or even X-ball, and try to help and advise as best I can. These guys 'n' gals are obviously keen to play more and progress, but there seems to be a void these days that used to be filled by the woods tourney scene. Most rental players start off playing at woodsball sites, but other than woodball walk-on or scenario scene, there isn't much to bridge the gap into the super competitive world of X-ball.
 

Ralph

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X-ball is still a very skillful paintball game, it's simply needs a totally different skill-set and fitness level to play it. It also seemed to focus on filling the air with paint, and promoter's pockets with money, rather than the 'fun' aspect of paintball that first addicted me back in the 80's.
Paintball has lost that 'Sunday morning league over the park football' aspect. It's very similar in lots of ways. You dont have to be the fittest of have the latest gear to enjoy playing. They are still competitions and as as a very green 14 year old i can remember my 1st game playing in the veterans team (35+) with the old man. They were allowed 3 players under that age and most teams used teenagers in these teams to blood them. It was good experience and alot of fun for us as players but i suspect like paintball it was crap to watch.
 

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WOW! impressed

Pete, never thought I would ever here of Marcus Davis again besides the wisperings of some of you who knew him & playedwith/against him

I live across the pond (as you guys put it) and have been in paintball since 91 full on

One of the reasons I got into competative paintball was because of the UK Preds (yup! even though I'm a yank'). In fact, one of my fisrt guns was a sterling for that VERY reason. Sadly, his reasons were the ones I also share as to why I left the competative side of paintball. The politics over here were so bad at that time, that it left me & MANY others like me, with a bad taste in our mouths for that side. The ONLY thing that kept me going, was the occasional rec' game & Scenario/big game paintball. I now am on a scenario team that travels far and wide (12 games a year) to all sorts of events attempting to keep/make paintball enjoyable for so many others like me. We have been to England (diamond wars)... sadly Ledz says you were supposed to be there, never did get to meet you, we did Scotland this year

my whole time in paintball, I've always wanted to know more about the UK predators: history, wins, games, players, etc... but very little information has been available besides what one can find on the web. They were a team I did my best to follow when I was broke and younger, though much was not often printed about them over here & PGI was not frequent in avail.

These videos have been incredibly enlightening & I for one (as a big Preds fan!) am gratefull. A few years back, I became the owner of Marcus Davis own personal Cocker from way back. The young man I bought it from (though very kind) I do not believe knew what he had. I have since done ALL the research I can with the Belsy's helping me trying to restore it to original condition/parts to try and preserve one of the moments in paintball I remember for others to enjoy as well. these videos have been a start to my search that has been going on for some 17+ years now

would love the opportunity to chat about the future of paintball in the UK/Europe if I was granted an audience. We have been interested in this theme since we've had the chance to experience the Big game/scenario side of paintball over there, we're just not 100% sure where to start, can you help us?

I regret not having found this thread earlier to be able to my own questions - Either way, well done Pete!

enclosed is a picture of the gun, enjoy!
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