9/11 Theory? What do you think.

[sparksy28]

So America knew about the attack on Pearl Harbour and allowed it to continue? They allowed 9 ships to be sunk and 21 to be damaged and over 2000 people to be killed? Just so they could enter WW2 i presume?

Yes they intercepted a message that indicated an attack.... they didn't however discover the target of the attack in time. Unless you're suggesting they knew really and didn't say?

Don't talk such rubbish.

once again didn't say anything about entering ww2 but feel free to add whatever you want and somehow a radar image is not the same as a msg and correct me if i'm wrong you can work out headings from a radar image and the fact that it so happened to be heading towards a military base didn't give the game away to say they didn't know where it was where else in the pacific is a carrier born flight group going to attack it doesn't take a genius to work out the position of the aircraft and their maximum range from an aircraft carrier and what is in front of where they are heading but as you say i'm talking rubbish

 

[Homewrecker]

where in my statement did i say that mate i said that it was a known fact that they new that a large number of japanese aircraft where on their way to pearl harbour when this was reported up the ranks nothing was done what I was trying to make a fact of and it's proven in history and even cowface says it is that governments not just america but mainly them rely on the patriotism of the people before they go start a war i don't believe a word of the crap that comes out of that kid on loose change's mouth but i do believe they knew what was happening from intel and did nothing to stop it that's it i ain't saying no more on the subject everyones entitled to the way the interpret the info given and this is mine

Why make the wildly nonsensical statement then?

America could of entered World War 2 without getting its Navy f*cked in the ass. Even if they counter attacked the Japanese offensive, the fact that Japan launched such a campaign would have been enough reason to go to war.

 

[MattC]

Pearl Harbour conspiracy theories have been debunked so many times its not even funny... only the truely moronic believe in them.... i mean.. they are the worst of the lot.

If you're going to believe in one then pick another, cause even for the most dedicated conspiracy theorist, Pearl Harbour is a lost cause.

 

[Lump]

Now i do love a good conspiracy theory, but i always end up going back to Acoms Razor. Until some one comes up with some sort of evidence, then i believe what i see.

 

[MattC]

Ahhh Lump you beat me to it...

I prefer Hanlon's Razor

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[Homewrecker]

On a less serious note:

You know what America should of done - Rebuilt the Twin towers, ever so slightly bigger. Literally as soon as possible, it would of sent a powerful message of resilience, not to mention a massive F**k you to the group involved.

Also as soon as the towers came down they also should have immediately broadcast an infomercial about the AC-130 and it's capabilities.

With the caption.... "Thanks for giving us an excuse to use it"

Edit: schoolboy spelling mistake

 

[M600]

here's a good one on the smolensk crash, where some people actually survived the crash and were murdered

 

[Buddha 3]

1)where in my statement did i say that mate

2)i said that it was a known fact that they new that a large number of japanese aircraft where on their way to pearl harbour when this was reported up the ranks nothing was done

3)what I was trying to make a fact of and it's proven in history and even cowface says it is that governments not just america but mainly them rely on the patriotism of the people before they go start a war i don't believe a word of the crap that comes out of that kid on loose change's mouth but i do believe they knew what was happening from intel and did nothing to stop it that's it i ain't saying no more on the subject everyones entitled to the way the interpret the info given and this is mine

1) Right here: "the same could be said about the attack on pearl harbour the american government new it was going to happen but didn't react because they were looking for support to test out the nuclear bomb on real people as opposed to blowing up buildings"
You literally say that the US knew the Japanese Imperial Navy was coming, but decided to let them attack, so they had an excuse to drop some nukes 4 years later.
So there, you said it right there, for all the world to see. Next silly point to debunk...

2) They had no idea a large number of Japanese aircraft were on their way to Pearl Harbour. They knew a Japanase Imperial Navy task force had set sail and had gone missing in the Pacific. They didn't know where it went, nor what its target was. Some people feared that indeed it may have been on its way to attack US targets, but nothing was certain.

3) Wow. Governments lie. Who'da thunk it...
And yes, you are entitled to interpret all the info available any way you want, but some interpretations, such as your rundown of how Pearl Harbour happened, are plain wrong, due to a serious lack of information on the subject. You are very uninformed, which is fine, but don't come here and shout like you know all about it, while it is clear to those that know a little more, that you don't. Just some friendly advice.

 

[Buddha 3]

once again didn't say anything about entering ww2 but feel free to add whatever you want and somehow a radar image is not the same as a msg and correct me if i'm wrong you can work out headings from a radar image and the fact that it so happened to be heading towards a military base didn't give the game away to say they didn't know where it was where else in the pacific is a carrier born flight group going to attack it doesn't take a genius to work out the position of the aircraft and their maximum range from an aircraft carrier and what is in front of where they are heading but as you say i'm talking rubbish

Dude, what radar image are you talking about? Clearly you have no idea what radar back then was capable (or rather incapable) of. There was NO radar that could detect a carrier task force in the middle of the Pacific. And guess what, there still isn't. Has everything to do with the curvature of the Earth. That's why these days we have AWACS and other airborne rader systems.
The radars around PH did detect something, but this only gave the base a few minutes warning time. And since a flight of B17's was also due to arrive, it was assumed the signal was the incoming US bombers, not the Japanese Imperial Navy, hellbent on blowing the US Navy to crap.

And as for your question about where else a carrier group could attack in the Pacific? Gee, I don't know... If the Japanese were intent on starting a shooting war with the US, they could have just as easily gone for Midway (which they did), Wake Island (which they did), Guam (which they did), the Phillipines (which they did) and tons of other targets that from a strategic point of view would have made more sense even.
Add to that that the Japanese were already at war with Britain, France and The Netherlands and the conclusion is that a task force like that had a million targets it could attack.

If the US had known that the Japanese were headed for Pearl, they would have set things up so that bombs would have fallen, but damage would have been limited. The planes would not have been bunched up on the apron (which was done because sabotage was considered a far greater threat from Hawaii's large Japanese population and it was easier to guard the planes if they were near eachother), they would have spread out the battleships more, rather than lining them up neatly along Battleship Row, and so forth.

Again, I could go on...

 

[Cook$]

If i could go off topic slightly as an example.....400,000 people worked directly for or indirectly for NASA from the early 60's to the early 70's on the Apollo lunar project,and i'm still waiting for just one of those 400,000 to come forward and admit that the whole thing was faked in a studio in Nevada and show some kind of evidence.

Unless of course the supposed NASA death squads do actually exist....