Would WeHave Ramping If People Didnt Wipe So Much?

[HERMITT]

I was having a moment to myself the other day and got thinking......Yes it was a little on the painfl side and i have been advised i shouldn't try it too often!

But! The result of which was a question kinda similar to the one above.

Is ramping and all the problems it has caused a direct result of having to deal with the massive increase in wiping and playing on amongst the top end teams? With this behaviour and its consequences quickly making their way down to the lower end of our sport.

Hmmmm, any thoughts?


By the way, this isnt meant to be a thread about the pros and cons of ramping because there have already been one or two!

 

[Raffles]

I don't think it is anything to do with wiping.

Some of the 'top' players (and some of the lower ones) used to sneak ramping boards on to the field. They are quite hard to detect by a marshall - even some of the 'experienced' ones can be easily fooled by them.

I know for a fact that there were at least two ramping markers at least years PA Cup - and neither were spotted.

So, the concensous was 'if you can't beat them - join them'. In other words - if you can't police a rule - why have the rule in the first place?

This opened up a whole new can of worms - but I shall not go in to all that again here (I can hear the sighs of relief from here ).

I'm sure people like Mario etc. can enlighten you more from a marshalls point of view...

 

[HERMITT]

It was more of an observation that the emphasis on rate of fire and the need to hit people with more than a couple of hits has come to the fore. With prizes and sponsorship ever more important, the need to win comes with a price tag.

ROF is surely a reaction to this. The ability of ramping to aid ROF quickly and easily surely counteracts the ability to loose one or two hits?

 

[Raffles]

I see your point - but ROF has always been the big thing with paintball. We seem to be obsessed with how fast we can get bullets out of the barrel.

It's the odds game - your more likely to hit someone by firing 15 at them - than you are by firing 5. Wiping has been around a lot longer than any other cheat - as you could wipe hits off that had been put there by a pump (oh, the good old days).

I guess you are saying 'the more hits you have - the harder it is to wipe them off'? Well, in theory I'd have to agree. Yes - ramping does make it harder to wipe - but I don't think ramping came about because of this.

Ramping, is seen by some, as the next 'natural progression' in paintball. While I personally disagree - I can see their point - I just don't think the UK is ready for it yet.

Anyway, it's all part of the bigger master plan to get X-ball over here one step at a time .

 

[chunk.Clan]

Ramping is used to eliminate any advantage with gun cheats and up the game a little. Even the playing field if you like. Wiping can happen with or without ramping.

 

[HERMITT]

I understand the argument that wiping will happen anyway. But has it got to a stage where its not simply realistic to expect players to walk after a few hits and it takes a whole lot more?

 

[Chicago]

If this were true,then if there were no wiping, then we wouldn't have ramping. Unless the reason we didn't have ramping is that all players were honest, I can't see how a lack of wiping would have prevented ramping - wiping or no wiping, people get the same advantage out of cheating to add shots, which was the ultimate impetus behind allowing ramping.

"We can't police semi-auto,so let's make another rule we can't police where the cheating is less obvious."

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Chicago
"We can't police semi-auto,so let's make another rule we can't police where the cheating is less obvious."

Tsk, tsk, Chi-town. While I've no objection to unattributed made-up quotes they should be a tad bit more accurate as, in point of fact, capped ROF can be policed. Is it 100% reliable? No, but it's signifcantly closer than anything else being done at present and actual, implementable on-field solutions exist to make enforcement even more effective.
Now, if the above "quote" is your view why don't you just say so? Otherwise, what's the point? If you are trying to imply the folks who have chosen this option, like the PSP, are merely being cynical and calculating why don't you just say that, too?

As to the original query posed by the thread starter the only connection that exists is lack of respect for (or fear of) the rules of the game. Add to that a historical lack of continuity and consistency in the way rules are enforced on field and the result is what you see today.

 

[Markie C]

when i have a moment to my self i think about women and baby oil mmmmmmmm baby oil

EDIT ADDED: This is what's called an off-topic reply. Since Markie is generally a good guy I'll leave it up but I don't want to see any more like it in this thread. TFP
http://67.19.5.132/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48399

 

[Chicago]

I'm saying that ramping is just as unenforcable as semi-auto with the current equipment. I'm not doubting PSP's motives, but at the end of the day it's just a half-assed solution which allows them to pretend the real problem (that nobody has any clue what anybody's guns are really doing) isn't a problem a little longer. And I don't even mean to imply that they're consciously thinking "Hey, we can just move to ramping, and then we don't have to bother with certified boards..." - it's just the convenient, easy answer.