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Why do we do it?

Sid85

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Ok this is an open question, mostly to team captains....

Why do we do it, do you ever get to the stage where you think whats the point? I've been Captain of the Clan previously Cameronians for 12 years now, and we as a team are probably one of the longest running teams in the UK. Travelling all over the UK, Europe and one trip to Huntington Beach.

I've seen players come and go, watched great teams around me fold, is there a reason for this, does the Captain at some point get sick of asking his team to play events only to be ignored, which in turn becomes frustrating and eventually he throws the towel in. I remember years ago Blakey (Mark Blakemore) original founder of SAD UK and Midland Masters told me the more you give your players and the more you do for them the more they want, what a true statment. Is it todays society that dictates the new players want everything for nothing, want everything organised for them with as little impact as possible to their daily routines, they want to just turn up, play and leave, while the Captain sorts out entry, hotels, travel, paint and runs around chasing players, not to mention training, sponsors etc. Captains are the unsung heroes of the paintball world, and without them guiding new players and embracing them, giving them their chance would we even have a tournament scene at all?

This year I have played UKM X-Ball lite for the season and played against some great if not brilliant UK teams, some old, some new, some formed from old teams with new players, met old friends and had a brilliant year. But we are now at the end of the season and we look forward to what next year brings, or do we, do we sit and think is it worth it?

This is not a rant about my team, although they frustrate the life out me sometimes we are a close team made up of good friends that have been around for years. This is more a question as to why teams fold.

How many teams do you think have folded in the last say 4 years, can you name teams who have been together for longer than 4 or 5 years? I wonder if paintball teams are a flash in the pan, they form a team, play, then fold, with players with the passion for the sport sticking it out, forming new teams or joining established teams.

How long do you think the average team lasts, and what are the factors that cause the team to fold, are Captains such an important part that when they say enough is enough and leave everyone else in the team falls apart, what are the reasons for this? Is it because the team has become so reliant on one man/woman that they cannot function without them?

So come on guys and gals what do you think? Does paintball as a sport have a short shelf life, do we as players have a short shelf life? But it continues not because there are long standing and established teams and players, but because we again as a sport have a high turnover of players and teams?

Sid
Clan Captain 12 years+
 

NitroBall

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I was going to post something like this up a few months back, but as my english lacks, i knew i would make a mess of it and cause some friction.
It is not an easy job to do, not all players show any respect or appreciate what you have done.
You go out your way to sort players out, many times lose out on cash, maybe only a small amount each time, but it all adds up.
Ive had to take a break from it all due to business issues this season, but i do enjoy it when im there 100% doing what i should be doing.

Teams folding, well my views on that i would say is due to the captains or managers want to spend more time playing or even quitting ball, thus the players have no one to rely on.
 

Syd (NSPL)

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Ah, this is an interesting one Sid. Team captain's do deserve a lot of respect and gratitude from everyone in tournament paintball, that is for sure. Without them, we'd be nothing as a sport.

The reason this is interesting, though, is this is one of the fundamental problems that the idea of "Paintball Clubs" is set to combat. If teams are members of a wider Club and part of that Club's support network, then they will no longer fold if a player, a few players, or even a captain decide they have had enough. Team captains will still be doing all the graft I have no doubt, but wouldn't it be great to be able to walk away (or take a break) and know that there is the support in place to ensure all your hard work doesn't go to waste?

Good post buddy...
 

stongle

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It's got f'all to do with the team, club or captain (but yes they do a good job!!!) but the smoke that gets blown up players bums that Paintball is on the cusp of something great and they will be the next best homegrown extreme sports star.

Paintball requires a significant financial investment, even if the return is only to play for cheaper. When this never really materialises players will walk away or be lacksidaisical, thus giving the team captain a headache. There's plenty of other activities that give a positive cash vs grin ratio, for a similair investment.

The players with longevity are those whom play purely for enjoyment and have adequate financial resources to do so. Sure, people will spend different proportions of ther income on playing but when the simple cash vs grin ratio tips too far in the cash direction they give up. It ain't ever going to be free, so deal with it.

Never equate your personal objectives (or cash vs grin ratio) with anyone else, otherwise you'll be asking exactly the question you are. Of course some of you are about to go nuts and claim it's a lifestyle thing, bladda, bladda and bladda. Let me tell you something, money talks' bullsh*t and bladda bladda runs the marathon (seriously do one, it's got better chicks). If not why (if the rumor mill and shoeshine man is correct), did another major company just go close to the wall? cos it got f'all to do with the lifestyle and the bladda bladda (unless they believed the hype of course).
 

Gadget

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I think the level of frustration equates directly with your level of ambition for the team. If you're looking to reach the highest levels, you need to put in a huge amount of effort and expect there to be a lot of frustration along the way.

Our team has been around for knocking on 20 years and survives happily today with zero frustration as everyone has accepted our lot as mid-tier has beens who are in it for the fun, not the glory. Even the newest members have been with the team for 10 years+. We don't have a traditional captain. One person sorts the money, a couple do tournament bookings and the on-field captain tends to be the player closest when asked ;)

As such we're probably not typical, however there are plenty of other long-standing teams around, some of whom have consistently played at a fairly high level such as the Tigers and Storm.
 

PortoX

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I have been in a few teams in time. Probably got a name for myself because of floating around teams. But the captains/managers are what have made a team easier to play for. I myself have played with captains that don't put any effort in (and thus suffered) and others that have overpowered (and thus suffered after a longer time).

I personally believe as Stongle mentioned, money is the main factor. The players that stick with teams are the ones that have a team that can balance their books. Be it finances are easier to subsidize for the player or the team can keep that players head above the finance water. It WILL NEVER change guys, so don't be offended if a player leaves because of finances to go with a team who can help them out even if its short term.

We are ballers by money. We won't be pro any time soon, so if you want to get everything for free you may as well take up extreme Frisbee.
 

Tony Harrison

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Most of today's players have a short shelf life - if they don't get recognition overnight, they quit.

We play because we love it - not for the money, the sponsorship or the praise - because there is little if any of that about.

As for Captains - well, they do it because they are mad. And also because no-one else can be bothered to step up and do it.
 

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I think the level of frustration equates directly with your level of ambition for the team. If you're looking to reach the highest levels, you need to put in a huge amount of effort and expect there to be a lot of frustration along the way.

Our team has been around for knocking on 20 years and survives happily today with zero frustration as everyone has accepted our lot as mid-tier has beens who are in it for the fun, not the glory. Even the newest members have been with the team for 10 years+. We don't have a traditional captain. One person sorts the money, a couple do tournament bookings and the on-field captain tends to be the player closest when asked ;)

As such we're probably not typical, however there are plenty of other long-standing teams around, some of whom have consistently played at a fairly high level such as the Tigers and Storm.

This is spot on and was just what i was thinking when i read the first post .We as a team turn up on a sunday after getting up at at stupid a'clock to play our games and have a laugh

Ok as captain i sort out stuff but so would the other 4 if i couldn't ,but i think your right,the higher you want to climb the harder it seems to keep the team together. As for long standing "pro" teams it reminds me of Triggers broom and only people or a certain age might get it :D 3 of our team have been playing together for 10 yrs plus. And as for not being "typical" i think thats an age thing ;)

I can still rember giving you a couple of good games down at Dragon's Lair even at my age:)