doe's any one know when the date's for 2006 will be out for the nppl and the psp or both if they join force's
cheer's markie
cheer's markie
when will the date's be out for the nppl 2006
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Markie, when they have decided what they are doing regarding unification they will get round to sorting out venues and times, until then, it's a waiting game but from what I know, they are almost there as long as certain parties keep their nose out and allow evolution and common sense to prevail.
Dave YB and Ged Green spearhead what's going down here at the moment and as long as these two remain the prime determinants and negotiators, I believe we will get there in a pretty short time frame.
Huge and significant compromises have been made from both sides to facliliate this unification and the irony is, or rather coincidence, we are heading towards what is best for the players / teams as well as the industry.
If this stage of proceedings is opened up too far to other parties, I believe it would be detremental to what the industry and players so desperately need.
On a more parochial note, when the dust has settled on this, and if unification comes out the other side, the Millennium should then immediately align itself with the new order, NO ARGUMENT !!
There have been a few voices over here that have advised a different route but this would be sheer lunacy and would run contra to the interests of Euro ballers.
Dave YB and Ged Green spearhead what's going down here at the moment and as long as these two remain the prime determinants and negotiators, I believe we will get there in a pretty short time frame.
Huge and significant compromises have been made from both sides to facliliate this unification and the irony is, or rather coincidence, we are heading towards what is best for the players / teams as well as the industry.
If this stage of proceedings is opened up too far to other parties, I believe it would be detremental to what the industry and players so desperately need.
On a more parochial note, when the dust has settled on this, and if unification comes out the other side, the Millennium should then immediately align itself with the new order, NO ARGUMENT !!
There have been a few voices over here that have advised a different route but this would be sheer lunacy and would run contra to the interests of Euro ballers.
2006
Dear Robbo,
Will the way Pro division play in NPPL Miami (best of 3 games in quarter finals, etc....) be the future way adopting by the Millennium in 2006. Or shall it be only a US format only on a 7-Man Basis...
Dear Robbo,
Will the way Pro division play in NPPL Miami (best of 3 games in quarter finals, etc....) be the future way adopting by the Millennium in 2006. Or shall it be only a US format only on a 7-Man Basis...
From his post it sounds as if everything is up in the air at the moment pending finalization of the format and details of the unification. I suspect we have been told everything that it would be in the interest of the sport to reveal at this stage. Be patient. The man's a journalist - I'm sure he'll report all in good time. PGI/p8ntballer haven't let us down before.
P.S. but i can understand your eagerness, as I can't wait to hear the outcome of this. By the sounds of it, it is the path that paintball will be taking at least for the near future.
As you know, I don't quite agree.
I agree that - if the format chosen is in the best interest of European paintball teams as a whole, we should allign ourselves - but otherwise not.
I still fail to see how unification will benefit the European teams not in the top 5-6?
I fear that the advocates of unification are too focussed on the top teams, and too little on the vast majority of teams, that have entirely different issues - like a format that is affordable, paint prices, entry fees, etc.
I know a lot of people say "let's get unification done - and worry about the details later" - and in most business, that is a sound strategy... only... what game we are going to play is hardly a "detail" - and should be at the core of unification negotiations.
Actually, I think the format is more important that unification - because the format is what will decide if the game can be universally adopted, all the way down to local level.
Nick
cheer's pete just wanted to know for the clinic's we have planned for next year just trying to get a head start
Like it or not, the present main dynamic for unification is finances and as a backdrop to this we have an almost complete acceptance that the present situations of both patent litigation and league estrangement had to be resolved.
All parties concerned have begun to embrace this more conciliatory viewpoint and as a result, it has opened up the way to reunification which for the most part would have remained closed had it not been for an extremely brave initiative from Dave Youngblood and an equally brave reception from Ged Green.
Ged heads up the interests of Pure Promotions and Dave represents the PSP / NXL.
The downturn in US turnover over the past year has resculptured the paintball landscape and as such has changed people's priorities.
The format has pretty much been decided upon but it is not really my place to say anything, so I won't, but what I will say is this.
If what I have heard is adhered to, then the future looks very rosy indeed.
As for Nick's thoughts on whether or not we should integrate with the Americans is wrong I'm afraid.
Whatever comes out the other end of the US pipe, we have necessarily to follow, end of, no argument, no bull****, we do it or we put back European paintball years.
90% of the industry will be US based, the best teams are US based, the best tournament circuit is US based and the resultant momentum generated by any integration will in my opinion provide the genesis for a new world order and if we distance ourselves in that genesis period, all we do is create a situation whereby Europeans are once again behind what's going on, we just can't afford to be isolationist and any quasi-intellectual arguments from Nick advocating a different position than the one I have suggested is folly I'm afraid (No disrespect intended Nick).
All parties concerned have begun to embrace this more conciliatory viewpoint and as a result, it has opened up the way to reunification which for the most part would have remained closed had it not been for an extremely brave initiative from Dave Youngblood and an equally brave reception from Ged Green.
Ged heads up the interests of Pure Promotions and Dave represents the PSP / NXL.
The downturn in US turnover over the past year has resculptured the paintball landscape and as such has changed people's priorities.
The format has pretty much been decided upon but it is not really my place to say anything, so I won't, but what I will say is this.
If what I have heard is adhered to, then the future looks very rosy indeed.
As for Nick's thoughts on whether or not we should integrate with the Americans is wrong I'm afraid.
Whatever comes out the other end of the US pipe, we have necessarily to follow, end of, no argument, no bull****, we do it or we put back European paintball years.
90% of the industry will be US based, the best teams are US based, the best tournament circuit is US based and the resultant momentum generated by any integration will in my opinion provide the genesis for a new world order and if we distance ourselves in that genesis period, all we do is create a situation whereby Europeans are once again behind what's going on, we just can't afford to be isolationist and any quasi-intellectual arguments from Nick advocating a different position than the one I have suggested is folly I'm afraid (No disrespect intended Nick).
But Pete - my point is this:
If (for the sake of argument) the new unified entity decides their format should be 15 man woodland games (old school) - would your stance be the same? - And would you think European paintball would be better off joining in with that game format?
Obviously, that will not be the outcome - so it is just to illustrate my point.
I am not advocating isolationism - merely saying that the route most travelled, is not always the best.... it kinda depends where the road leads.
As I see it, paintball IS at a crossroads, and the route chosen WILL be important.
To my mind, the absolutely most important thing for paintball at the moment, is not whether the top Pro teams play in the same league - that might be important to those teams and to the vendors at the events.... but to the vast majority of paintball teams in the world, it makes very little real difference.
What IS important, is to create a game format that can trickle down to even the lowest levels of our sport - and work there also - because that is the real "unity" that we should be looking for - and that will benefit paintball to a much greater extent than having Dynasty and Trauma in the same league.
Now - unification of the two big US leagues (and the big European one)..... and a universal game format - are not mutually exclusive.... BUT - if the big two US leagues come up with a format geared solely towards the pros (like for instance full blown X-ball) - I think European paintball would be wiser devising a game format on our own, that meets the needs I have described - because that is how we will help European paintball grow the most.... and get the best results in the long run.
So - I'm not in any way against the leagues unifying - I just reserve the right to be sceptical - until I have seen what game format they end up suggesting.
Nick
If (for the sake of argument) the new unified entity decides their format should be 15 man woodland games (old school) - would your stance be the same? - And would you think European paintball would be better off joining in with that game format?
Obviously, that will not be the outcome - so it is just to illustrate my point.
I am not advocating isolationism - merely saying that the route most travelled, is not always the best.... it kinda depends where the road leads.
As I see it, paintball IS at a crossroads, and the route chosen WILL be important.
To my mind, the absolutely most important thing for paintball at the moment, is not whether the top Pro teams play in the same league - that might be important to those teams and to the vendors at the events.... but to the vast majority of paintball teams in the world, it makes very little real difference.
What IS important, is to create a game format that can trickle down to even the lowest levels of our sport - and work there also - because that is the real "unity" that we should be looking for - and that will benefit paintball to a much greater extent than having Dynasty and Trauma in the same league.
Now - unification of the two big US leagues (and the big European one)..... and a universal game format - are not mutually exclusive.... BUT - if the big two US leagues come up with a format geared solely towards the pros (like for instance full blown X-ball) - I think European paintball would be wiser devising a game format on our own, that meets the needs I have described - because that is how we will help European paintball grow the most.... and get the best results in the long run.
So - I'm not in any way against the leagues unifying - I just reserve the right to be sceptical - until I have seen what game format they end up suggesting.
Nick
Nick, I think me and you both know the format ain't gonna be 15 man, and the reason we both know it is because we also both know the guys making these decisions aren't stupid.
The format that is being discussed upholds all the conditions you should want mate and doesn't compromise any of the things you worry about.
To suggest isolationism on the basis of a ludicrous format decision from the States is just plain scaremongering for the sake of it and so unnecessary.
I honestly believe that what is being bought to the table now is about the best solution possible, trust me Nick (and I'm not talking from a self-interested point of view for Nexus)
The format that is being discussed upholds all the conditions you should want mate and doesn't compromise any of the things you worry about.
To suggest isolationism on the basis of a ludicrous format decision from the States is just plain scaremongering for the sake of it and so unnecessary.
I honestly believe that what is being bought to the table now is about the best solution possible, trust me Nick (and I'm not talking from a self-interested point of view for Nexus)