WAS up?

[Baca Loco]

Y'all heard the latest about Wicked Air Sportz Equalizer board brouhaha? It's making the outraged rounds of techno-geekdom over here and has been for a week or so.
Word is the boards ain't all they've been cracked up to be so maybe they aren't ultra superior to everything on the market and can't deliver warp speed evewn on debounce 1. There's even talk that the boards were registering inaccurate ROF numbers to validate the appearance of super-speed.

I'm clueless but I'd be interested in hearing more. What's really going on?

Whatever the "truth" is, I've got a Shocktech Timmy sitting on my couch (at the mo) that is mighty fast and easy to shoot so plainly the WAS Kidz are doing something right.

 

[John C]

They r awesomely fast.
You can even get them put in your angel speed or A4.


My only worry is the ease in which you can turn off the eyes, and the fact that the eyes make a very good debounce system.
With the WAS timmy I used you can use the eyes as your debounce, then by pushing the bolt forward you can turn the eyes off and get super trigger bounce speed!!!

 

[Adrenochrome]

erm no its the other way round

you set debounce 1 , then turn off the eyes by pushing the bolt forward, then go chrono, the board is capped a 12 bps with the eyes off so wont bounce so Mr pink on the chrono is happy and doesnt start moaning about it bouncing. You then go onto the field and reset the eyes, hey presto bounces like an 18 yr old crack ho.

This is why the nppl insists on the marker being in competition mode, locks out the buttons, they were also checking for eyes on status at the chrono.

My opinion is if you cant shoot it fast enuf in semi either practice till you can or go play pump

 

[Mikey D]

erm, as far as i know, if the timmy acts like the viking, no matter what mode it is in, if debounce is set at 1, it will bounce whenever.
with a viking in bypass mode, at 13bps, it might only fire 13bps, but its still gonna bounce.
whether timmy's are different or not i dunno.

by the way, heres goss ive seen on pbnation.

"Why am I only getting 15bps with my Alias and I get 18bps with my equalizer equipped Intimidator?
Well I got news for you, just because your Equalizer says 18, 19, 20bps, and etc., doesn't mean your gun is really shooting that fast. At BLAST, we have an Oehler Ballistic Chronograph, this very expensive piece of equipment that was developed for the firearm industry. This is the same tool that has and will be used by Mike Ratko, the NXL commisioner to weed out the illegal markers. The Oehler will accurately measure rof, the velocity of every shot, give averages, highs and lows and etc.. This is the ultimate tool for tuning a marker for shot to shot consistancy and speed.

When ever we have tested an Equalizer equipped Intimidator over the Oehler, we have always had a higher value show on the marker's LCD over the computer readout of the Oehler. Yes, the Equalizer can inflate the actual rof value.
Again, let me reaffirm that there is no cap on these new LCD boards, Bob, some of the fast fingers at the Shop and I have all reached higher values than 16bps. Please note that we have also consistantly found identical readings with the new LCD board markers and Oehler chrono. We simply believe that the bps counter is more accurate on our new boards versus the Equalizer."

so basically whats being shown on the timmy screen is all a load of bull. apparently.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376094

thats from the AKA board, im sure theres more in other forums.

 

[jahlad]

in reality if the mark shoots damn fast who gives a hoot what the lcd says!??????
ok its nice to show off to your mates but other than that its pointless aint it????

although if the board has been made deliberatly to read high then that is a LITTLE wrong....


ya know like hitler was a LITTLE naughty!

bring back mech markers.....much easier to regulate!!!!! (only kidding boys dont send the linch mobs round yet!)

 

[manike]

Let me say that previously almost EVERY paintball gun with an LCD that I have ever tested gave a greater rof measure on the LCD screen than it did over a ballistics chrono. And that's not just WAS timmies... That's every gun I have EVER tested with it's own read out.... I've been given many different reasons for why this is, some more valid than others. It's one reason I have never believed the alleged ROF's people post about having achieved.

The new board in the 2K4 and Empire Timmies does give readings far closer to the ballistics chrono than other boards I have tried (obviously it still doesn't give out fractions in the reading for simplicity sake and because the general paintballer doesn't understand 'rates' and why you can fire at 15.5bps and not be chopping that last paintball ).

I'm just suprised people believed Jim Drew for so long. JD has recently been on a spree throughout the 'geek areas' on the web removing all his posts and information about his products. It appears he was finally proved to be a liar so many times that he required the removal of all his posts from EVERY web forum he posted on (that or the rumours of him being sued may be coming true and he wanted to lose the evidence... ) The only place he now posts information is his own web forums where naturally he has all control over the content. He even posted an 'open' letter about why he removed all his posts, which is HYSTERICAL, if you were a witness to his actual death on the forums over at PBNation... and how he was caught in lie after lie and threatening legal prosecution with no grounds. That's the thing about the internet, there is always a greater level geek who knows more than you...

That said, WAS does make very good products, you just have to judge them on their own merit and not the BS from the man behind the company.

 

[Baca Loco]

Hey Simon (or anybody who might know)
So what's the deal with the board Shocktech uses compared to other WAS boards? They've been tossing around the number 66.6 (or thereabouts) for awhile now, haven't they?

 

[le-pig]

the shocktech boards can sense up to 66.6 trigger pulls per second apparently

 

[manike]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Hey Simon (or anybody who might know)
So what's the deal with the board Shocktech uses compared to other WAS boards? They've been tossing around the number 66.6 (or thereabouts) for awhile now, haven't they?

Purely marketing.

They have an 'older' version of electronics to control the timmy otherwise known as the SOB (semi only board) (reportedly because they pissed off Jim Drew and JD refused to let them have his board in their guns as stock). Just they found a different way to market it.

The board can respond to trigger inputs at up to 66.6 inputs per second. So theoretically if you perfectly timed your inputs and the gun could cycle fast enough pneumatically then you could get 66.6 shots per second...

Err the gun can't cycle at 66 cps. and err, the newer boards scan the trigger input at around 1,000,000 times per second by using 'interupts' (geek coding language )...

The important things on how fast a gun can cycle and shoot are
1) the speed of the gun's pneumatics (cycle time issue),
2) the loader feeding the gun (cycle time issue),
3) electronics controlling the gun (eyes, rof and how the time between trigger inputs is recognised and used)

If you want to be fast you have to do all 3 well.

 

[Philip]

So what about one of the newer bushy boards...operates at 24mHz...24,000,000....not that any one is gonna feel a difference.