Warp fed Evo X Cocker

[Haffa]

Oh im so smug.

Anyway, I need to sort out the start stop mechanism for the warp feed. It has the vibration sensor which is turned up the max but im not convinced it will pick up the gentle rock of the cockers action. Its just so sweet.

What other ideas have been tried? switches in the trigger? external vibration sensors? Which work? or dont?

Im just going to go home and stare at it some more.

 

[Dave S ECI]

Haffa,

the cocker should set off the vibration sensor fine, no probs there, it has plenty of moving parts on it etc.etc. also it has a metal frmae so the vibrations will be transmitted easily.

I wrote a note on the info sheet, cos the evo has quite a long cycling time you may need to turn up the dwell so that the balls are fed once the chamber has opened. with a dwell too short the warp will have stopped pushing by the time the chamber has opened to allow another ball in.

I am not saying this is the case but if you experience any probs this is the first thing I would suggest.

As for the switch I have some experience as I have built intellifeeds before, you need to look inside the evo frame and see where there is space for you to mount a switch, the trigger plate needs to contact the switch on EVERY pull. Thats the hardest bit, all u gotta do is wire it up, plug your phono jack into the warp and then change it from vibration to external signal inside the warp.

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hope you enjoy it.

 

[Haffa]

Cheers mate

V.helpfull much appreciated.

Your money was transfered at midday today, they told me that it would clear for you on monday which is a little later than they told me before but still quicker than a cheque

I havent pulled the warp apart yet, there is a socket somewhere? if not where does the phono cable connect to?

The 90 degree elbow/power feed will have to be customised to fit the evo, spoke to powerpulse and they agreed, im going to try a diy job first then when that screws up i'll get them to make me one

Cannot get over the speed of delivery, not the prime concern on a cocker but very nice. I plan on having an lcd angel or vision impulse as well, so it will really have fun then.

Must get home and play.

 

[Dave S ECI]

Just to see the potential of the warp connect the hose from inlet to outlet of the wheels and fill it up with some paintballs. By the black housing press the little white button at the bottom and let it spin, it is very fast.

The socket is by the little white button under the black motor housing on the back of the warp (under the cover is also settings for dwell and vibration sensitivity etc.etc.) I think it takes a 3/32" phono plug, if u want to rig this up shoot me a mail and i can look up all the part numbers you would need from maplins.

You should be able to get the 90 degree elbow to fit, the skinny end should fit in there but might be loose, either pack it out with PVC tape of dremmel off the screw bit on the other end and cut some slots in it then press it down into your vertical and it should fit fine.

If you do go electro you can run it off the electric signal to fire the gun, pretty easy with an LED, bit harder on the LCD.

One last tip, try drilling a hole in your hopper and running the hose through there, it should tighten up your profile and allow you to get the warp a bit closer in to your gun.

Any probs/questions give us a shout.

Dave. (looking forward to monday = beer money )

 

[Flash-Bugout]

my apologies for butting in guys but I thought I'd just pass this on:

A mate had an intellifeed on his evo a few years back, now while I'm not sure of all the little details, I do know that he had a microswitch positioned under the sear, the reason being that the sear always has to move a certain amount for the cocker to fire, therefore it can be certain that the switch will activate, whereas as you say, behind the trigger is just too random.

Oh, and Haffa, if you want to go electro, try getting a look at a RaceGrip - make that evo really fly

 

[Haffa]

Hmmmmmm race grip, dribble...

Please dont say those words to me, you know "Race Grip" oh thats done it. Where do you get them from?? How much? £500 last I heard?? I cannot resist any longer!!!

The reason I have not got one already is that im proud to have a Cocker, top of the range one at that. I like the mechanical feel it has and it has a very clean trigger pull. An electro has not got that cu-chunk feeling about it. I want an electro as a second gun in case mine goes down or, as im finding out, when it rains. My cocker does not seem to like the rain one little bit, must investigate that.

Im one of the people who doesnt want to improve rate of fire in the hope it will make me play better. i just play well anyway!!

Maybe I will get the grip and sod the second gun it would make my marker one of the greatest ever to chuck paint.

Also getting towards one of the most expensive

Thanks Dave, im off to maplins now to get some bits. Is this tubing from a washing machine?? Its not quite long enough so I need some more. I expect its some high performance hosing, ill try currys

Race grip here we come!!!

 

[Dave S ECI]

the hosing comes from powerpulse aka agd europe. I am sure that any similar tubing could be used though as long as it fits the connectors, has the right bore size etc.

As for the switch, behind or under should work, bear in mind I am no cocker expert though so I do not know where there is space in the frame, maybe try a roller switch (one with a little roller on the lever) u could mount this underneath and as the trigger plate moves it could flick the switch as well as being smooth (hence roller lever).

Experimentation is your best bet Haffa but I would check out the vibration sensor first, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Flash- I have been hearing good things about the racegun and if I was in the market i would buy it but does it support intellifeed, if not what is the wiring like, could you wire into the fire signal (to set off revy or warp)??

All the best,

Dave.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Guys, if either of you are around at Temple anytime (or the indoor at brum next year) then look either myself or Hermitt up - we'll be more than happy to show off our new toys!
As for putting an intellifeed on the racegrip, the boards do have aux ports, although I haven't seen anything mentioned about it yet. It shouldn't be too difficult for the race guys to programme into the firmware, all they would need to do is mirror one of the fire signals to an aux output.
Untill then it should be possible (but warranty voiding) to put a connection onto the microswitch maybe, and set that up to activate the Rev. Personally, I'm thinking of waiting till the Halo gets established, although I don't like the sound of 6 (yes SIX) AA batteries - that's more expensive than a 9V!

Haffa - with the racegrip you still get a bit of the mechanical feel, with the back-block flying back and forth, but you get the ability to rip a line of paint through which someone has to run, although you do get a world of people saying "sounds like the timing's out" due to the different sound it makes.
Just to see what it was like, and to make sure I had it set OK, I ran mine f/a into my shed @ 10bps. Un-freakin-real is about all I can say. It was set back to semi straight away before anyone whinges!
Anyways, hope to see yas at a site sometime soon.

 

[Dave S ECI]

I understand the Racegun maxes out at 13bps and that is on a short block cocker setup for speed. 9bps is realistic for stock and 10-11bps for most other custom cockers.

Don't get me wrong that is stilll fast, v.fast but do you really need the halo, it is like twice the price of the rev and has a bigger profile.

I can see the benefit on warp feeds but I feel it is too big.

As a wise man once said, you can only hide your lack of game by your rate of fire for so long.

I shoot an angel but have the ROF well turned down, makes you more aggresive that way.