Voicing out my stand for being ban from MPOC Malaysia Tournament
VOICING OUT MY STAND
• I found out I was banned from MPOC 2010 from the Xtion Paintball Forum where they claim that i was “DISREPUTING OF TOURNAMENT”.
• What is the definition of DISREPUTING?
- There is no such word as disreputing. They must have took it from the word “disrepute”
- According to the Cambridge Dictionary, disrepute means the state of not being trusted or respected, damage to or loss reputation.
- So what they are trying to say is I have damaged the reputation of the tournament. Wow.. am i that powerful to do that without knowing the right and wrong?
• Below are the actions that I have done during the incident itself which was witnessed by a lot of people. So it is up to you to judge on my act.
1) I was called by my Team Captain to point out what the marshal did and said inside the field during our game and I said the Marshal and the Ultimate Marshal was in the field and they both called the guy at the 50’s OUT but were allowed to play on after that in split second. The Ultimate Marshal stood up from his chair and said “eh **** You”, “was calling the guy at the dorito out”. To my amaze, i find it unbelievable how he answered me, and he was actually back facing the dorito and it was 15 to 18 meters away from him.
2) All I did was questioning him to how did he manage to call a player out with his back facing them and 2 bunkers away from where he stood. I did not curse at the marshal nor did I provoke him to a fight. That game was supposed to be a winning game with a one for one locked down call below 1 minute in the field 3 – 2 matched points.
3) As a result of it, I was being pushed by the Ultimate Marshal on the chest. Knowing the fact that he was cornered by my words, the Ultimate Marshal cursed at me where he screamed out again “**** You” and “****er”.
4) I was being challenged by the Ultimate Marshal, and my last words i told him was, “You have been announcing the whole morning about players please do not abuse (words) the marshals or you will be banned from the tournament and yet you are abusing a player, what are you going to do about it”? Where in the end I left the area & went to the player’s area after my captain told me that he will handle this with the organizer.
5) He approached me with his marshal jersey off with another of his marshal at the player’s tent but I refused to talk to him & he left after an outside came and push him away.
6) After that my captain (Abby) went to the Tournament Organizer to tell he what happened.
7) Lastly, I posted on my Facebook profile on the 19th of April 2010 asking people’s opinion regarding the matter without even mentioning the name of the Tournament, date, name of Marshal or event organizer. It could have been a general question about a normal paintball occurrence as no names was mentioned.
• From all of the actions that I have done, in what way have I acted in which they refer to as “DISREPUTING THE TOURNAMENT”?
• Or was it, as per what my team mate said to me when Junaidi called him and said that i disrespected him by calling him “Jun” and not UJ or Ultimate Marshal or Head Ref as per what Junaidi said? This was no joke, this was what my team mate Ereeq told us when we had our team meeting.
• After the decision was made by the MPOC Board Meeting on the 22nd April 2010 at 1.00 pm by Mr Paul Lam, Raja Khairul, Mr Patrick Tan, Mr Nicholas Wong, Mr Junaidi Kalil and Mr Allan Phang, I find something unusual about it.
1) Why does the committee consist of 4 salary taking employees, director and 2 outsiders?
2) Paul Lam, Nicholas Wong and Allan Phang are from the organization and organizing committee Junaidi Khalil a salaried taking staff from MPOC organized by them and they are all organizers of the World Cup Asia (WCA)and PALS Series.
3) Not even any witness was called.
4) One of my team mate, Raja Khairul who was relieved from playing since 1 month ago due to injury was being called to explain the situation of what happened which he was not even there at the day of event. Mr Patrick Tan from team Demonz Red was there to answer on behalf of his player as he was there during the tournament. It should have been my Team Captain being called as he was there to witnessed the incident.
5) If it was a committee, shouldn’t it be odd number to vote for results?
6) Why was not the Ultimate Marshal being questioned for what he did to me during the tournament?
7) Yes I totally agree with players abusing marshal should be banned from the tournament but what about marshals misconduct and abusing players? They should have been questioned too and be banned from the tournament if found guilty.
8) Since I was the person in question of the matter, I should have been called in the meeting and make my stand to voice out my side of story. Even in court, both sides of party must be heard before the judge makes a decision.
• These guys run the World Cup Asia and PALS Series as well as running the MPOC , as they all work for Paul’s company, how could such small event like MPOC compare to a World Cup Asia be so much different in terms of judgement and rules? It should be a stepping stone for the marshals and organizers to step up on the rules and marshalling yet they commit such mistake. Yet why such organization can have such unprofessional results? Is it because during the international events were run by international people and not them? Or do they have personal interest in something which we dont know about?
• Being the most pioneer in Malaysia and knowing the in and out of this Organization, it is the biggest mistake to banned me from this tournament for things that is irrelevant to the game.
• Being the Vice President of the newly formed Paintball Federation in Malaysia, I should very well know how to take care of myself rather than putting myself to shame and jeopardy in front of everyone.
• This whole tournament organization looks very unprofessional. I would highly advise to all players and teams, not to compete in this tournament as my fate could happen to anyone of you.
• The main issue that I have been highlighting since 19th April 2010 was on how a marshal treats a player outside the game NOT during the game IN the field whereby a player has been pushed and cursed. How a marshal came to my tent not wearing his Marshal Uniform and approached me but he was instantly brought away by my Team Captain. Isn’t that provoking, abusing and discriminating player by the marshal?
• If they are going to ban me for a year from playing MPOC, I will not cry nor would I make an appeal against that decision, in fact, I will never play in this tournament again in my lifetime because it is one of the most unfair, unreasonable and dishonoured events I have ever played.
This is what The International Marshal body have to say after I filed a complaint to them.
Hi Dean,
The key issues as I see it!
1. How long is the ban for? Did if affect your teams games after?
2. Of course its not allowed to have contact with anyone else in the game or after it. Player to player, player to ref or ref to player.
3. I was not there, so it is impossible for me to make a comment on this incident. Don't forget he will also have witnesses that saw it a different way, than the way you have said to me!
4. To deal with the problem, you need to get out the Rule book, and find the article about players conduct. This also applies to Refs and anyone else who is on the field. Of course if you can not swear at the Refs then it is not allowed the other way also. But it has to say this in the rules ( it doesn't matter what was said at the captains meeting)
Then you need to look at this incident of pushing you. You need to be careful with this, because he could say he pushed you away because he felt threatened that you might have hit him, so he was defending himself.
You then need to take all this to the MPOC directors. And explain all this to them. I assume this happenened last weekend so the whole thing should have calmed down ( Paintball can make people crazy!) They have to listen to you and give an explaination and show the rules to defend this.
Be careful that you do not try and make this personal against Junaidi this will not help your situation. When he came to your tent was he trying to say sorry or was he looking for trouble?
If he is the Head Ref for the event he can overturn his ban, if he thinks after he has thought about it that the penalty was too severe. Would that be good for you or do you want to see a different ending to this incident?
Hope this helps
Take care
The Next Post is the Original Post In Xtion paintball forum of what they wrote. I would not write in here if they did not post this up officially.
Please give your advice and comment.
Thank you
Dean The Bear
Malaysia
Team Raskal Malaysia
• I found out I was banned from MPOC 2010 from the Xtion Paintball Forum where they claim that i was “DISREPUTING OF TOURNAMENT”.
• What is the definition of DISREPUTING?
- There is no such word as disreputing. They must have took it from the word “disrepute”
- According to the Cambridge Dictionary, disrepute means the state of not being trusted or respected, damage to or loss reputation.
- So what they are trying to say is I have damaged the reputation of the tournament. Wow.. am i that powerful to do that without knowing the right and wrong?
• Below are the actions that I have done during the incident itself which was witnessed by a lot of people. So it is up to you to judge on my act.
1) I was called by my Team Captain to point out what the marshal did and said inside the field during our game and I said the Marshal and the Ultimate Marshal was in the field and they both called the guy at the 50’s OUT but were allowed to play on after that in split second. The Ultimate Marshal stood up from his chair and said “eh **** You”, “was calling the guy at the dorito out”. To my amaze, i find it unbelievable how he answered me, and he was actually back facing the dorito and it was 15 to 18 meters away from him.
2) All I did was questioning him to how did he manage to call a player out with his back facing them and 2 bunkers away from where he stood. I did not curse at the marshal nor did I provoke him to a fight. That game was supposed to be a winning game with a one for one locked down call below 1 minute in the field 3 – 2 matched points.
3) As a result of it, I was being pushed by the Ultimate Marshal on the chest. Knowing the fact that he was cornered by my words, the Ultimate Marshal cursed at me where he screamed out again “**** You” and “****er”.
4) I was being challenged by the Ultimate Marshal, and my last words i told him was, “You have been announcing the whole morning about players please do not abuse (words) the marshals or you will be banned from the tournament and yet you are abusing a player, what are you going to do about it”? Where in the end I left the area & went to the player’s area after my captain told me that he will handle this with the organizer.
5) He approached me with his marshal jersey off with another of his marshal at the player’s tent but I refused to talk to him & he left after an outside came and push him away.
6) After that my captain (Abby) went to the Tournament Organizer to tell he what happened.
7) Lastly, I posted on my Facebook profile on the 19th of April 2010 asking people’s opinion regarding the matter without even mentioning the name of the Tournament, date, name of Marshal or event organizer. It could have been a general question about a normal paintball occurrence as no names was mentioned.
• From all of the actions that I have done, in what way have I acted in which they refer to as “DISREPUTING THE TOURNAMENT”?
• Or was it, as per what my team mate said to me when Junaidi called him and said that i disrespected him by calling him “Jun” and not UJ or Ultimate Marshal or Head Ref as per what Junaidi said? This was no joke, this was what my team mate Ereeq told us when we had our team meeting.
• After the decision was made by the MPOC Board Meeting on the 22nd April 2010 at 1.00 pm by Mr Paul Lam, Raja Khairul, Mr Patrick Tan, Mr Nicholas Wong, Mr Junaidi Kalil and Mr Allan Phang, I find something unusual about it.
1) Why does the committee consist of 4 salary taking employees, director and 2 outsiders?
2) Paul Lam, Nicholas Wong and Allan Phang are from the organization and organizing committee Junaidi Khalil a salaried taking staff from MPOC organized by them and they are all organizers of the World Cup Asia (WCA)and PALS Series.
3) Not even any witness was called.
4) One of my team mate, Raja Khairul who was relieved from playing since 1 month ago due to injury was being called to explain the situation of what happened which he was not even there at the day of event. Mr Patrick Tan from team Demonz Red was there to answer on behalf of his player as he was there during the tournament. It should have been my Team Captain being called as he was there to witnessed the incident.
5) If it was a committee, shouldn’t it be odd number to vote for results?
6) Why was not the Ultimate Marshal being questioned for what he did to me during the tournament?
7) Yes I totally agree with players abusing marshal should be banned from the tournament but what about marshals misconduct and abusing players? They should have been questioned too and be banned from the tournament if found guilty.
8) Since I was the person in question of the matter, I should have been called in the meeting and make my stand to voice out my side of story. Even in court, both sides of party must be heard before the judge makes a decision.
• These guys run the World Cup Asia and PALS Series as well as running the MPOC , as they all work for Paul’s company, how could such small event like MPOC compare to a World Cup Asia be so much different in terms of judgement and rules? It should be a stepping stone for the marshals and organizers to step up on the rules and marshalling yet they commit such mistake. Yet why such organization can have such unprofessional results? Is it because during the international events were run by international people and not them? Or do they have personal interest in something which we dont know about?
• Being the most pioneer in Malaysia and knowing the in and out of this Organization, it is the biggest mistake to banned me from this tournament for things that is irrelevant to the game.
• Being the Vice President of the newly formed Paintball Federation in Malaysia, I should very well know how to take care of myself rather than putting myself to shame and jeopardy in front of everyone.
• This whole tournament organization looks very unprofessional. I would highly advise to all players and teams, not to compete in this tournament as my fate could happen to anyone of you.
• The main issue that I have been highlighting since 19th April 2010 was on how a marshal treats a player outside the game NOT during the game IN the field whereby a player has been pushed and cursed. How a marshal came to my tent not wearing his Marshal Uniform and approached me but he was instantly brought away by my Team Captain. Isn’t that provoking, abusing and discriminating player by the marshal?
• If they are going to ban me for a year from playing MPOC, I will not cry nor would I make an appeal against that decision, in fact, I will never play in this tournament again in my lifetime because it is one of the most unfair, unreasonable and dishonoured events I have ever played.
This is what The International Marshal body have to say after I filed a complaint to them.
Hi Dean,
The key issues as I see it!
1. How long is the ban for? Did if affect your teams games after?
2. Of course its not allowed to have contact with anyone else in the game or after it. Player to player, player to ref or ref to player.
3. I was not there, so it is impossible for me to make a comment on this incident. Don't forget he will also have witnesses that saw it a different way, than the way you have said to me!
4. To deal with the problem, you need to get out the Rule book, and find the article about players conduct. This also applies to Refs and anyone else who is on the field. Of course if you can not swear at the Refs then it is not allowed the other way also. But it has to say this in the rules ( it doesn't matter what was said at the captains meeting)
Then you need to look at this incident of pushing you. You need to be careful with this, because he could say he pushed you away because he felt threatened that you might have hit him, so he was defending himself.
You then need to take all this to the MPOC directors. And explain all this to them. I assume this happenened last weekend so the whole thing should have calmed down ( Paintball can make people crazy!) They have to listen to you and give an explaination and show the rules to defend this.
Be careful that you do not try and make this personal against Junaidi this will not help your situation. When he came to your tent was he trying to say sorry or was he looking for trouble?
If he is the Head Ref for the event he can overturn his ban, if he thinks after he has thought about it that the penalty was too severe. Would that be good for you or do you want to see a different ending to this incident?
Hope this helps
Take care
The Next Post is the Original Post In Xtion paintball forum of what they wrote. I would not write in here if they did not post this up officially.
Please give your advice and comment.
Thank you
Dean The Bear
Malaysia
Team Raskal Malaysia
