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Trying to start a university team with no union funding

Tomsouth

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HI guys,
I am trying to set up a student paintball team and get paintball recognized as a sport and casual activity. The problem I have is that the union isn't willing to give us any funding or support. So far we have supported ourselves through getting a small discount at the paintball place we use and then charging a little extra to cover transport. We would really like to start competing but other than the small amount of kit I have lent to people we have basically nothing. So... this post is basically asking for any old kit (clothes, masks, markers....) whatever you can spare, whatever the condition to help me get the team up and running. I am willing to pay P&P on items out of my own money and I could afford paying a little towards markers but this is all out of my own student pocket so I can't afford too much. Also any advice on how to get sponsorship etc would be really wonderful.
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Big_jim

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I helped run Plymouth uni paintball society but jacked it in. Our union didn't support us either but in general society members just didn't care enough and just used us for a cheap rental day and never came again so we jacked it in. The committee have been playing for years and didn't need the headache. Why are you begging for kit? It is not the societies place to provide kit for members. Any field you use will rent kit and if they want better gear then they should buy it the selves like anybody else!
 

Tomsouth

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It's more we have some dedicated members who I want to take to a higher level but having some base level kit would help me to do that. I basically am looking to expand the group and give people more of a chance to enjoy paintball through walk ons and comp tournaments. Sure we have people who just use us for a cheap day but we also have a dedicated core of members who want to get to a higher standard but just can't really afford it.
 

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This is an interesting request... of course it is always good to introduce new players to the sport. However one of the common reasons that funding isn't provided is due to a lack of interest. From memory I think that any Society or Club needs to have reached a minimum number of members to apply for funding. Plus unlike the US college scene there is no formal competition and you are therefore competing against established sports when funding is already competitive

Lots of players cannot afford kit and effectively make sacrifices to get that kit together. Being a student is no different to this... many students are playing and doing whatever it takes to get the kit together. If you are interested in getting kit, look for unfavoured or older equipment which is now not as popular, these could still be used. There is a vibrant 2nd hand marketplace here which could facilitate this!

Also how would this kit benefit the student team? If you receive donated kit what stops this being retained by members of the current squad and not used to help establish a student team, but a selected individual at a point in time? This doesn't appear to be structured to help a team without those details...

However having kit is only the start, paintball is not a "cheap" hobby and if you are struggling to fund equipment then how can you afford to play? Entering tournaments is costly for both the event and the training associated with this.
 

southernP8nt

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HI guys,
I am trying to set up a student paintball team and get paintball recognized as a sport and casual activity. The problem I have is that the union isn't willing to give us any funding or support. So far we have supported ourselves through getting a small discount at the paintball place we use and then charging a little extra to cover transport. We would really like to start competing but other than the small amount of kit I have lent to people we have basically nothing. So... this post is basically asking for any old kit (clothes, masks, markers....) whatever you can spare, whatever the condition to help me get the team up and running. I am willing to pay P&P on items out of my own money and I could afford paying a little towards markers but this is all out of my own student pocket so I can't afford too much. Also any advice on how to get sponsorship etc would be really wonderful.
Thanks Paintballers love you all
First things first, this is completely the wrong way to go about it.

You shouldn't be looking at providing club kit at all, not for a second. Not yet anyway.

I've been involved in paintball societies at two different universities and they have both operated in the same way.
Firstly, get yourself out there. In freshers week have people out all over campus really making sure people know you exist, any members who have their own kit, make sure they've got it with them as you'll get people seeing it and stopping to ask questions as paintball kit is quite eye catching. Then make damn sure that you are at your University's equivalent of Freshers Fair, keep it simple and clear, you don't want to complicate things. Make sure that the second somebody approaches your stand they can see how much it costs to join, how much it costs each time you go and play and what they get for that money. Have all of your gear out so that if people have questions about it you can show them your flashy looking kit, but don't rush into telling them how much paintball gear can cost.
The membership fee that you take from people right at the start will give you enough money to maintain the club, cover any administrative costs, and hopefully put some money away for the society for if you need it in the future for essential, unavoidable spends.

The most important thing is to get numbers in, get plenty of people signing up and you'll have lots of them come along to your first day at whatever punter site you go to. A lot of them will come once and decide it's not for them, but that's no big deal as you've already got their membership fee, but the more people you get signed up to start with, the more will be there the first time, and the more will enjoy it and keep coming back. When you do have people who really enjoy it and come back every time then you know there's a chance they'll want to take things further, so share what kit you do have. On site let people have your marker and put some balls through it, see how much better it is than the rental kit, and peak their interest. Make sure that they know that if they want to get their own kit you'll help them find something that suits the style they want to play with and fits their price range, so that they're not having to jump into the world of paintball kit by themselves.

There is no way at all to rush this. You've simply got to get as many people involved as you can, get them coming along to punter days, and then once you've got a good core of people who really enjoy it you start gently pushing them towards buying their own kit.

My first University we did exactly that. When I joined there we had about half a dozen guys with their own kit, and at freshers fair got about 60 signups (all paying our £30 membership fee up front), probably had about 50 turn up to the first punter day, by the third that was down to about 30, but then we started to see people really enjoy it, gave them a go with our own kit, and by the end of the first term had about another half dozen who had started to buy bits and pieces of kit, by the end of the second term had about 9 or 10 who had all the kit, had picked up proper markers and were hooked. End of that year and we had our own club jerseys, a core of around 15 active players all with our own kit and frequently sent a group off to big game events around the country.
 
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Tomsouth

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Thanks so much for this mate. The problems we have are our union we have a huge stall (our local site is really supportive so bring camouflage netting and a bunch of kit) but our union is really iffy about the guns. We had to fight hard to allow us just to show them let alone get people walking around with them. We used to have a high membership fee but we really suffered with membership people just weren't willing to pay 30 quid I don't know why. Even with our low fee we struggle with members. The other problem is they have little faith in the society the president ran the society into the ground with no trips and no communication. I have managed to pull in around 59 members this term but it's an uphill struggle because the Union keep putting barriers in our way. I am trying my hardest here but that's why I wanted advice :)
 

southernP8nt

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Thanks so much for this mate. The problems we have are our union we have a huge stall (our local site is really supportive so bring camouflage netting and a bunch of kit) but our union is really iffy about the guns. We had to fight hard to allow us just to show them let alone get people walking around with them. We used to have a high membership fee but we really suffered with membership people just weren't willing to pay 30 quid I don't know why. Even with our low fee we struggle with members. The other problem is they have little faith in the society the president ran the society into the ground with no trips and no communication. I have managed to pull in around 59 members this term but it's an uphill struggle because the Union keep putting barriers in our way. I am trying my hardest here but that's why I wanted advice :)
Well if they won't let you have fully set up markers then negotiate. Say you'll have them with the air tank off, or no hopper, and a barrel sock on at all times, just something so that they know 100% that you cannot fire them and so it's perfectly safe, and they should be far more willing to allow you to have people walking around with markers out.

As for the money, if you're struggling for funds already then the absolute worst thing you could do is get club kit. As soon as you do you start to have more costs appearing, because kit breaks, gets damaged, needs repairing, and each time it's gonna end up costing you money that you don't have.
 

Tomsouth

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So let me give everyone a little additional information. The paintball society at UEA was restarted just over 2 years ago. The first year a membership fee of £30 was in place. Around 20 people signed up including myself and this money was mainly used to help keep transport costs low, keeping trips cheap and membership high. Last year the society reduced the fees to around £5 (most societies charge only £3) and membership vastly increased however the committee were not particularly sensible with the money (I think a lot was spent on after game "team bonding"). This year the president who took over managed a grand total of one game since the start of the university year then out of the blue said she no longer wanted to run the society leaving it with £300 of debt to the union. Discussions then begun around closing the society down but the society is what brought my love of paintball to the fore and got me interested in speedball and watching paintball as a sport. I could not allow it to close so took it over myself managing to work through the debt with the union to put us just over breaking even. Our university only gives £6000 total funding between all 132 societies with the majority going to the student newspaper, radio etc. so fighting for even small amounts for transport takes me a lot of time. I have my own woodsball gear and made cuts in the rest of my life to afford it as people have said above so I understand where they are coming from.

I have managed to pull back members lost during the lull caused by the last president and am trying to find new interest. I am attempting to get some kit together to take a team to student cup this year just to give them the experience of competitive play which I hope will drive them to purchase their own gear. Anything I get will be stored in the society lock up and will be used by members for walk ons and tournaments outside of our normal site days (where kit is supplied) and will mean that I can let the members who already show an interest in taking the next step get along to a tournament and find out if it is for them.

My real goal for all of this is to make people realize there is more to paintball than birthdays, stag dos and team building. I would like it to be considered as a sport both by the union itself and the members. Thank you for all your feedback and if you feel I am going about this goal the wrong way I am more than happy to delete my post as this forum has helped me to pick up tips and my gear since I first started and I don't want to annoy or upset anyone.
 

southernP8nt

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My real goal for all of this is to make people realize there is more to paintball than birthdays, stag dos and team building. I would like it to be considered as a sport both by the union itself and the members. Thank you for all your feedback and if you feel I am going about this goal the wrong way I am more than happy to delete my post as this forum has helped me to pick up tips and my gear since I first started and I don't want to annoy or upset anyone.
I doubt you've annoyed anybody. It just seemed like you were going about things in the wrong way and a few of us had advice from personal experiences that we thought might help.

It sounds like you've got a good goal in mind for the society, and I think it's likely that you'd gotten a bit ahead of yourself and just taking a step back and realising that there is no quick way to achieve your goal would be a good thing for you to do.