Cool guys, im not too bad on the accuracy issue, in honesty I used to play alot in my younger days had a automag ( blue and silver anno I miss it alot) at the time it had nothing to do with fire rate but as you say being accurate was paramount, I attended a training session at my local site and was surprised at how many shots I was getting on target compared to a few of the more experiencd guys who were there, maybe its like riding a bike.... Thanks again for the help guys truly appreciate it!